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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8481264" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>[USER=97077]@iserith[/USER] has been quite clear that they might use fidgeting as a tell an individual character has, not as an across-the-board indicator of lying. Noticing that this specific character fidgets when they lie is something they’ve said you might learn as the result of a successful Wisdom (Insight) check.</p><p></p><p>If done that way, sure. But keep in mind the whole process here. The DM describes what the character is doing, possibly including some telegraph that something is amiss. You describe your character’s action, with the goal of figuring out if they’re lying. If the result of that action is uncertain, the DM might call for you to make a check. If you succeed in your goal of recognizing that the character is lying, the DM will tell you they’re lying. At no point are you being told that your character thinks the telegraph indicated that the character was lying. That’s something you’re free to put together yourself, or not, as you like.</p><p></p><p>Agreed, but one character who has a personality trait or flaw that they stammer when they lie isn’t that.</p><p></p><p>As is [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER], and they have said as much in this conversation.</p><p></p><p>Not to determine who’s important to the adventure. Simply as something to interact with, to try and sus out the character’s personality traits, ideal, bond, and flaw. Again, similar to the scorch mark on the wall across from the door. It’s an invitation to action, not a pixel you have to hunt down and click on.</p><p></p><p>They don’t do it at @iserith’s table because it’s laid out in the table rules that when asked what to do, you declare an action (including goal and approach) not ask a question or request to make an ability check. (Or something along those lines, I don’t know how they word it exactly).</p><p></p><p>I’m not [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER], but I have a pretty solid understanding of their style, given that my own is very similar. If I’m not mistaken, while you couldn’t just declare you’re making an Insight check, you would be free at any time to describe an action in terms of what you want to accomplish and what your character does to try and accomplish it, and [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER] would either describe the results of that action, or if they were uncertain, ask you to make a Wisdom check (to which you could add your Insight proficiency) to resolve that uncertainty, and then describe the results, before continuing to describe the environment and how it has changed in response to your action. You could do so with or without any prompting, though paying attention to their description of environment might help you make informed decisions about what you want your character to do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8481264, member: 6779196"] [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER] has been quite clear that they might use fidgeting as a tell an individual character has, not as an across-the-board indicator of lying. Noticing that this specific character fidgets when they lie is something they’ve said you might learn as the result of a successful Wisdom (Insight) check. If done that way, sure. But keep in mind the whole process here. The DM describes what the character is doing, possibly including some telegraph that something is amiss. You describe your character’s action, with the goal of figuring out if they’re lying. If the result of that action is uncertain, the DM might call for you to make a check. If you succeed in your goal of recognizing that the character is lying, the DM will tell you they’re lying. At no point are you being told that your character thinks the telegraph indicated that the character was lying. That’s something you’re free to put together yourself, or not, as you like. Agreed, but one character who has a personality trait or flaw that they stammer when they lie isn’t that. As is [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER], and they have said as much in this conversation. Not to determine who’s important to the adventure. Simply as something to interact with, to try and sus out the character’s personality traits, ideal, bond, and flaw. Again, similar to the scorch mark on the wall across from the door. It’s an invitation to action, not a pixel you have to hunt down and click on. They don’t do it at @iserith’s table because it’s laid out in the table rules that when asked what to do, you declare an action (including goal and approach) not ask a question or request to make an ability check. (Or something along those lines, I don’t know how they word it exactly). I’m not [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER], but I have a pretty solid understanding of their style, given that my own is very similar. If I’m not mistaken, while you couldn’t just declare you’re making an Insight check, you would be free at any time to describe an action in terms of what you want to accomplish and what your character does to try and accomplish it, and [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER] would either describe the results of that action, or if they were uncertain, ask you to make a Wisdom check (to which you could add your Insight proficiency) to resolve that uncertainty, and then describe the results, before continuing to describe the environment and how it has changed in response to your action. You could do so with or without any prompting, though paying attention to their description of environment might help you make informed decisions about what you want your character to do. [/QUOTE]
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