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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8481291" data-attributes="member: 84112">I only give him an issue becuse he preaches that he has been handed down from on high the one true reading of the rules and everyone else is wrong.no they are tools of the game... that players have, technically you are right no character has that tool, but like every other pick and peice of this argument, you knew what I meant, and in common english character tool is close enoughyup so if the DM rules something is possible but uncertain you roll an ability check (or attack roll or what ever, before you word police this too)yes one that in game the character is good at, regardless of how well the player can do it or describe it.unless you rule that someone has to describe it out of game when you know they can't or wont... then the check is better then &quot;I can't&quot;yes and I intimidate the orc is a declaration of action. I say things to persuade the guard is too.now you are going to come back and ask how and what they say... when no rule says they have to say how or what they say. Especially if the person controlling the character can not or will notsame with every game I have run of 5e...&quot;I persuade the guard to let us by&quot;&quot;Your a cha character trained in persuasion, no problem&quot;is as likely as&quot;I persuade the guard to let us by&quot;&quot;let me set the DC for you to roll&quot;but is also (albe it less likely)&quot;I persuade the guard to let us by&quot;&quot;You have convinced him you need to get by but he doesn't have the authority, so he calls for the captain&quot;or also less likely&quot;I persuade the guard to let us by&quot;&quot;no, the guards are not going to be talked into letting you in&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8481291, member: 84112"] I only give him an issue becuse he preaches that he has been handed down from on high the one true reading of the rules and everyone else is wrong. no they are tools of the game... that players have, technically you are right no character has that tool, but like every other pick and peice of this argument, you knew what I meant, and in common english character tool is close enough yup so if the DM rules something is possible but uncertain you roll an ability check (or attack roll or what ever, before you word police this too) yes one that in game the character is good at, regardless of how well the player can do it or describe it. unless you rule that someone has to describe it out of game when you know they can't or wont... then the check is better then "I can't" yes and I intimidate the orc is a declaration of action. I say things to persuade the guard is too. now you are going to come back and ask how and what they say... when no rule says they have to say how or what they say. Especially if the person controlling the character can not or will not same with every game I have run of 5e... "I persuade the guard to let us by" "Your a cha character trained in persuasion, no problem" is as likely as "I persuade the guard to let us by" "let me set the DC for you to roll" but is also (albe it less likely) "I persuade the guard to let us by" "You have convinced him you need to get by but he doesn't have the authority, so he calls for the captain" or also less likely "I persuade the guard to let us by" "no, the guards are not going to be talked into letting you in" [/QUOTE]

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