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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8481512" data-attributes="member: 6915329">See, that's really not the impression I got at first from them. It was only very recently that iserith started saying that they didn't mean every NPC--even though they had had plenty of chances to correct me early on, or to tell me that I was right when I said to use that as an individual tell, not as a generic catch-all.Sure, normally. But here's what isireth said:So why would I assume in this case that fidgeting and stammering indicate a lack of truthfulness? This isn't isireth saying &quot;you noticed that this NPC fidgets and stammers when he lies.&quot; This is outright saying &quot;these things indicate a lie.&quot; But as I said, there are many possibilities for both fidgeting and stammering which doesn't include lies at all. But isireth is saying that my character would associate those things with lying. In addition to fidgeting and stammering, isireth said that on a high roll, the NPC might be looking you straight into the eye. But again, I don't associate a lack of eye contact with lying: not only did I work with developmentally disabled adults for a very long time, many of whom were autistic and didn't like eye contact, but I myself am autistic and don't like eye contact! Now, I suppose I could make a character and give them the trait &quot;looks people straight in the eye to judge their honesty and worth,&quot; but really, it's not something I've thought of doing before. So again, isireth is specifically telling me what my character thinks--that this NPC is looking me in the eye and (because of his high Deception roll and my presumably not as good Insight roll) I associate that with honesty.This is literally the same as &quot;you think he's lying/telling the truth,&quot; but with extra description. It's &quot;you think he's lying because he's stammering/telling the truth because he's looking you in the eye.&quot; And as I said, I would assume the latter meant that he is lying (because it's a strange detail for the DM to add) or trying to use a gaze attack on me (because it's D&amp;D).So how exactly would you declare an action with the end goal being to make an Insight check?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8481512, member: 6915329"] See, that's really not the impression I got at first from them. It was only very recently that iserith started saying that they didn't mean [I]every [/I]NPC--even though they had had plenty of chances to correct me early on, or to tell me that I was right when I said to use that as an individual tell, not as a generic catch-all. Sure, normally. But here's what isireth said: So [I]why [/I]would I assume in this case that fidgeting and stammering indicate a lack of truthfulness? This isn't isireth saying "you noticed that this NPC fidgets and stammers when he lies." This is outright saying "these things indicate a lie." But as I said, there are many possibilities for both fidgeting and stammering which doesn't include lies at all. But isireth is saying that my character would associate those things with lying. In addition to fidgeting and stammering, isireth said that on a high roll, the NPC might be looking you straight into the eye. But again, [I]I[/I] don't associate a lack of eye contact with lying: not only did I work with developmentally disabled adults for a very long time, many of whom were autistic and didn't like eye contact, but I myself am autistic and don't like eye contact! Now, I suppose I could make a character and give them the trait "looks people straight in the eye to judge their honesty and worth," but really, it's not something I've thought of doing before. So again, isireth is specifically telling me what my character thinks--that this NPC is looking me in the eye and (because of his high Deception roll and my presumably not as good Insight roll) I associate that with honesty. This is literally the same as "you think he's lying/telling the truth," but with extra description. It's "you think he's lying because he's stammering/telling the truth because he's looking you in the eye." And as I said, [I]I [/I]would assume the latter meant that he is lying (because it's a strange detail for the DM to add) or trying to use a gaze attack on me (because it's D&D). So how exactly would [I]you [/I]declare an action with the end goal being to make an Insight check? [/QUOTE]

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