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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8481725" data-attributes="member: 7032025">That's my point, it is not described. You assume that it is, but there is no requirement for it, as per the standard loop. And I've explained that we have banished it from our games, it's not required and it interferes with what the other PCs should know of that is happening. Only the description of the action is required, not the desired outcome. The example given is "We’ll take the east door" without any outcome like "... to avoid / find the goblins". Just the action.Nope, not required, and actually with consequences.What I'm saying is that because the (desired) outcome does not have to be described, the DM just has to interpret the success failure of the action described, and he can ascribe any level of progress towards any outcome without being constrained by a specific intent.Exactly, it absolutely depends on what the table expects and their prefered playstyle, it's not mandated in any way by the rules, that's all.And that is fine if it's your preferred play style, and to be honest, I also do it now and then. There are also many cases, however, where I just trust the player, he he goes for something, it's because he has evaluated his chances as at least fair, and with the level of immersion that we usually have, it means that we are in agreement about the chances and possible consequences of success failure.I think that's what is important, you are right about the wording, I should have used something like "as supported as most other ways of doing it".You do realise that the DC is in itself absolutely arbitrary in itself ? Everything is arbitrary from the DM's perspective anyway. Also, although I appreciate what you are saying about giving the DC, the rules leave the DM absolutely free there and we prefer not giving the exact DC to avoid any sort of metagaming. At best, we'll give an indication (as per the DMG estimate), but nothing says that the DC is spot on the DMG precise value.That is fine as well, but since we are not giving away the DC anyway, and everything is arbitrary, my point is that giving a quality of result can be done in any sort of different fashions, all supported by the rules (whereas, in some systems for example Runequest, the quality of result is mandated by the dice roll, critical, special, normal, failure, special failure, critical failure, etc.).Exactly, it all loops back to the DM being dedicated to his players' fun. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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