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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8483074" data-attributes="member: 5142">The roleplaying rule? I feel like hardly anyone, including likely yourself, considered Page 185 as anything more than general guidance about roleplaying before until it somehow became a critical lynchpin of the game for the purposes of arguments in this thread. I have never once before this thread ever heard that snippet from Page 185 cited as a rule about roleplaying.Page 185 has been cited before for other matters pertinent to the page, but the oldest citation of PHB &quot;page 185&quot; in regards to roleplaying - though not about this particular snippet - I have found appears to be <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/has-the-meaning-of-roleplaying-changed-since-1e.682329/page-21#post-8387331" target="_blank">me</a> (as recent as Aug 2021) in regards to descriptive roleplaying being regarded as equally valid a method of roleplaying as actor stance roleplaying.I'm suspicious that it would not have been cited earlier than that as a roleplaying rule on ENWorld in the seven years that this game has been out. (I will admit that it is possible that it has been cited earlier - I searched only for &quot;185&quot; - but that either someone who is ignoring me or that I have on ignore prevents me from seeing it.) But since this thread (30. Nov. 2021), it has formed the vast bulk of its subsequent citations. I can't help but get the impression that the Page 185 &quot;rule&quot; in question appears to have been willed into existence as a rule for the sole purposes of this thread.Likewise, if it is a rule, critical or otherwise, for the play loop of 5e D&amp;D, then I would expect that it to show up in the 5e SRD as a rule (possibly in a different form), but I will admit that I am having difficulty finding any mention of it in any form or phrasing.If this is how you choose to respond to others who have different readings of the text than your own, then maybe you should either not respond or step away from the thread.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 8483074, member: 5142"] The roleplaying rule? I feel like hardly anyone, including likely yourself, considered Page 185 as anything more than general [I]guidance[/I] about roleplaying before until it somehow became a critical lynchpin of the game for the purposes of arguments in this thread. I have never once before this thread ever heard that snippet from Page 185 cited as a rule about roleplaying. Page 185 has been cited before for other matters pertinent to the page, but the oldest citation of PHB "page 185" in regards to [I]roleplaying[/I] - though not about this particular snippet - I have found appears to be [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/has-the-meaning-of-roleplaying-changed-since-1e.682329/page-21#post-8387331']me[/URL] (as recent as Aug 2021) in regards to descriptive roleplaying being regarded as equally valid a method of roleplaying as actor stance roleplaying. I'm suspicious that it would not have been cited earlier than that as a roleplaying rule on ENWorld in the seven years that this game has been out. (I will admit that it is possible that it has been cited earlier - I searched only for "185" - but that either someone who is ignoring me or that I have on ignore prevents me from seeing it.) But since this thread (30. Nov. 2021), it has formed the vast bulk of its subsequent citations. I can't help but get the impression that the Page 185 "rule" in question appears to have been willed into existence as a rule for the sole purposes of this thread. Likewise, if it is a rule, critical or otherwise, for the play loop of 5e D&D, then I would expect that it to show up in the 5e SRD as a rule (possibly in a different form), but I will admit that I am having difficulty finding any mention of it in any form or phrasing. If this is how you choose to respond to others who have different readings of the text than your own, then maybe you should either not respond or step away from the thread. [/QUOTE]

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