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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1900981" data-attributes="member: 2011">The entire morality question is moot. IMO.WotC purposely made summoned creatures extraplanar in nature to avoid the morality / alignment question.A summoned creature is no different than a spell that created a conjured ball of light which acted like a creature (e.g. Mirror Image-like) and by the spell description, stated that it could be used for AoOs, Cleaves, AoO+Cleave combos, etc.It is merely a spell guys. The creatures are not totally real. For example, you cannot dispel the magic that sends them back to where they came from so that they stay forever. If they attack a spell resistant creature, that creature can poof them back if they do not make the SR roll. They will blink out in an anti-magic sphere. They are magic guys, not real creatures. They are conjurations.&quot;Conjurations bring manifestations of objects, creatures, or some form of energy to you&quot;They are not real creatures, they are manifestations of creatures as PER THE RULES.Two questions for the moral argument supporters:1) Does your PC attack, kill, and loot enemies? If so, he has assaulted, murdered, and stolen from others. That sounds immoral to me, no matter how you try to spin doctor his rationale for doing so.2) Do you as a person eat pork? Pigs are a very intelligent animal more intelligent than even dogs. Yet we slaughter millions of them every year in the US to consume. If murdering a pig for food in the real world is not immoral, murdering a non-real (effectively magical) summoned creature is not immoral either.Morality is totally irrelevant to the conversation here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1900981, member: 2011"] The entire morality question is moot. IMO. WotC purposely made summoned creatures extraplanar in nature to avoid the morality / alignment question. A summoned creature is no different than a spell that created a conjured ball of light which acted like a creature (e.g. Mirror Image-like) and by the spell description, stated that it could be used for AoOs, Cleaves, AoO+Cleave combos, etc. It is merely a spell guys. The creatures are not totally real. For example, you cannot dispel the magic that sends them back to where they came from so that they stay forever. If they attack a spell resistant creature, that creature can poof them back if they do not make the SR roll. They will blink out in an anti-magic sphere. They are magic guys, not real creatures. They are conjurations. "Conjurations bring manifestations of objects, creatures, or some form of energy to you" They are not real creatures, they are manifestations of creatures as PER THE RULES. Two questions for the moral argument supporters: 1) Does your PC attack, kill, and loot enemies? If so, he has assaulted, murdered, and stolen from others. That sounds immoral to me, no matter how you try to spin doctor his rationale for doing so. 2) Do you as a person eat pork? Pigs are a very intelligent animal more intelligent than even dogs. Yet we slaughter millions of them every year in the US to consume. If murdering a pig for food in the real world is not immoral, murdering a non-real (effectively magical) summoned creature is not immoral either. Morality is totally irrelevant to the conversation here. [/QUOTE]

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