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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 1901023" data-attributes="member: 307">No they didn't. The fact that they are extraplanar in nature brings the morality issue into sharp focus.I believe the core of your misunderstanding is that you don't seem to know what the word &quot;manifestation&quot; means:&nbsp;In other words, they are a concrete appearance of a spiritual being. The thing actually is brought from its plane of existence to the prime, and exists as a real creature, no matter how much you want to try to justify treating them as video game constructs.Which means, by the definition of the word &quot;manifestation&quot;, that they are the real creature.Except that the reasons for actions are critical, and the identity of those involved. Killing another is usually considered evil. But is it evil to kill someone in self-defense? In the defense of others? No? Then you've just agreed that the morality of an act is subjective to the situation. Therefore, while it may be moral to kill, say, demons and devils, it may be condiered equally immoral to kill celestial beings, simply by the nature of what they are.We don't live in a world of absolute morality in which the powers of good and evil are physical substances that can be called upon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 1901023, member: 307"] No they didn't. The fact that they are extraplanar in nature brings the morality issue into sharp focus. I believe the core of your misunderstanding is that you don't seem to know what the word "manifestation" means: [i][/i] In other words, they are a concrete appearance of a spiritual being. The thing actually is brought from its plane of existence to the prime, and exists as a real creature, no matter how much you want to try to justify treating them as video game constructs. Which means, by the definition of the word "manifestation", that they are the real creature. Except that the [i]reasons[/i] for actions are critical, and the identity of those involved. Killing another is usually considered evil. But is it evil to kill someone in self-defense? In the defense of others? No? Then you've just agreed that the morality of an act is subjective to the situation. Therefore, while it may be moral to kill, say, demons and devils, it may be condiered equally immoral to kill celestial beings, simply by the nature of what they are. We don't live in a world of absolute morality in which the powers of good and evil are physical substances that can be called upon. [/QUOTE]

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