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<blockquote data-quote="Philip" data-source="post: 1901605" data-attributes="member: 10993">Would it be at least considered moral when the fighter kills the summoned creatures (and does not cleave the BBEG for a change) when the BBEG surrenders but the summoned creatures (even the 'goodly' Celestial ones) keep on attacking the BBEG (like they were programmed or something), and the summoner is unable to tell them to stop in time?Automatically attacking your enemies without remorse or quarter unless explicitely told to do otherwise seems a bit immoral to me. But that's not the summoned creature's fault, really.If summoned creatures were real-life creatures who are actually experiencing everything, I would also consider it fairly immoral to even summon those creatures, regardless if you or the enemies attack them.How would your PCs feel when they are suddenly yanked away from their home, magically enchanted with an overpowering urge to attack your summoner's enemies, for a cause you don't know and possibly don't support and risk a gruesome death only to wake up 24 hours later?Summoning is kidnapping, blackmail, coercion, mental and physical abuse all rolled into one neat package. Summoning would probably highly immoral if you consider the summoned creatures to be real.The duration of the summoning spells does not lend itself to summon the creatures for a good conversation or a good musical performance. It lends itself to combat, menial labor, scouting and trapsprining. Even highly moral summoners would be hard-pressed to find proper moral duties for their summoned creatures to perform.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Philip, post: 1901605, member: 10993"] Would it be at least considered moral when the fighter kills the summoned creatures (and does not cleave the BBEG for a change) when the BBEG surrenders but the summoned creatures (even the 'goodly' Celestial ones) keep on attacking the BBEG (like they were programmed or something), and the summoner is unable to tell them to stop in time? Automatically attacking your enemies without remorse or quarter unless explicitely told to do otherwise seems a bit immoral to me. But that's not the summoned creature's fault, really. If summoned creatures were real-life creatures who are actually experiencing everything, I would also consider it fairly immoral to even summon those creatures, regardless if you or the enemies attack them. How would your PCs feel when they are suddenly yanked away from their home, magically enchanted with an overpowering urge to attack your summoner's enemies, for a cause you don't know and possibly don't support and risk a gruesome death only to wake up 24 hours later? Summoning is kidnapping, blackmail, coercion, mental and physical abuse all rolled into one neat package. Summoning would probably highly immoral if you consider the summoned creatures to be real. The duration of the summoning spells does not lend itself to summon the creatures for a good conversation or a good musical performance. It lends itself to combat, menial labor, scouting and trapsprining. Even highly moral summoners would be hard-pressed to find proper moral duties for their summoned creatures to perform. [/QUOTE]

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