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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 1902685" data-attributes="member: 20805">Summining, AoO, and non-suchFirst of all.. interesting threads. I appreciate the relative level of civility.&nbsp;2 cents on this topic:&nbsp;Summoned creatures automatically attack the enemy, this knowledge being imparted by the dieties/spells power and knowledge. Any being who prevents them from doing so must be the enemy as well. Perhaps a diety would decide that such a being remains an enemy and will speak to thier representative about taking a different path, or potentially eliminating/converting this 'enemy' that they walk around with. Regardless, any other summoned creatures will treat that being as an enemy for the duration of thier existance.&nbsp;Phillip: You are miscontruing DnD Conditions and English Definitions.The Summoned creatures do indead die..in that the life they hold for the duration of the spell is deprived of them, but they are not [Dead]. Thier soul remains in the outer plane and is returned to thier body after a 24 hour period elapses.&nbsp;Of course, Raveneye is adding the pain/anguish etc.. which IMHO would be a side effect to having the body you inhabit being chopped up into tiny little bits...As to AoO+Cleave, as I mentioned in the other thread, I believe that when faced against enemies that are working in concert that one can be Cleaved after an AoO drops the other. &nbsp;However, if you are faced with enemies that are not working in concert, as the case when one expects the other to be attacking him instead of you, the AoO+Cleave will not work. &nbsp;This means that when your summoned Mooks charge past your fighter, he can merrily hack them down with AsoO. He will not gain the benefit of the Cleave Feat in this circustance.&nbsp;Why? suspension of disbelieve. Cleave works, IMHO, because the opponent you are cleaving into has had thier expectation of the battlefield change. Having a enemy drop does not change the battlefield.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 1902685, member: 20805"] [b]Summining, AoO, and non-such[/b] First of all.. interesting threads. I appreciate the relative level of civility. 2 cents on this topic: Summoned creatures automatically attack the enemy, this knowledge being imparted by the dieties/spells power and knowledge. Any being who prevents them from doing so must be the enemy as well. Perhaps a diety would decide that such a being remains an enemy and will speak to thier representative about taking a different path, or potentially eliminating/converting this 'enemy' that they walk around with. Regardless, any other summoned creatures will treat that being as an enemy for the duration of thier existance. Phillip: You are miscontruing DnD Conditions and English Definitions. The Summoned creatures do indead die..in that the life they hold for the duration of the spell is deprived of them, but they are not [Dead]. Thier soul remains in the outer plane and is returned to thier body after a 24 hour period elapses. Of course, Raveneye is adding the pain/anguish etc.. which IMHO would be a side effect to having the body you inhabit being chopped up into tiny little bits... As to AoO+Cleave, as I mentioned in the other thread, I believe that when faced against enemies that are working in concert that one can be Cleaved after an AoO drops the other. However, if you are faced with enemies that are not working in concert, as the case when one expects the other to be attacking him instead of you, the AoO+Cleave will not work. This means that when your summoned Mooks charge past your fighter, he can merrily hack them down with AsoO. He will not gain the benefit of the Cleave Feat in this circustance. Why? suspension of disbelieve. Cleave works, IMHO, because the opponent you are cleaving into has had thier expectation of the battlefield change. Having a enemy drop does not change the battlefield. [/QUOTE]

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