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<blockquote data-quote="Storyteller01" data-source="post: 1903614" data-attributes="member: 20931"><p>Got me on the first one . <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Second, it's not the fact that others do it, it's the fact that others do it for no better reason then 'to gain the extra attack'.</p><p></p><p>One of the reasons SF/fantasy is so loved (and why I love D&D specifically) is that you can take something from the real world, something assumed familiar to you, can put it in a totally different situation. Then you let logic or intuition run</p><p>its course (lets see what happens)</p><p></p><p> If the DM states ahead of time 'gods don't mind summoned critters being used as cannon fodder. they are a gift to you', so be it. Different moral issues (do I kill this thing, is it alive) but that's for the DM to deal with, as he set the precident. There is a worth while explanation for the tactic.</p><p></p><p>To me, metagaming is the 'I attack said summoned critter to gain an out of turn attack' 'Why?" 'Because the rules don't say I can't'</p><p></p><p>If given a worthwhile reason, I'm okay with the plan. If done simply to improve the numbers, then I have a problem (unless the whole reason to play that campaigh is to abuse the numbers. Done that one before. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storyteller01, post: 1903614, member: 20931"] Got me on the first one . :) Second, it's not the fact that others do it, it's the fact that others do it for no better reason then 'to gain the extra attack'. One of the reasons SF/fantasy is so loved (and why I love D&D specifically) is that you can take something from the real world, something assumed familiar to you, can put it in a totally different situation. Then you let logic or intuition run its course (lets see what happens) If the DM states ahead of time 'gods don't mind summoned critters being used as cannon fodder. they are a gift to you', so be it. Different moral issues (do I kill this thing, is it alive) but that's for the DM to deal with, as he set the precident. There is a worth while explanation for the tactic. To me, metagaming is the 'I attack said summoned critter to gain an out of turn attack' 'Why?" 'Because the rules don't say I can't' If given a worthwhile reason, I'm okay with the plan. If done simply to improve the numbers, then I have a problem (unless the whole reason to play that campaigh is to abuse the numbers. Done that one before. :) ) [/QUOTE]
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