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<blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1904838" data-attributes="member: 1266">You do realize your real world examples of cutting down one badguy to get a shot at another could be considered just as evil, especially if you are taking advantage of a seriously weakened opponent who probably would surrender if the BBEG was taken out.&nbsp;You do realize that the action is perfectly justified in others peoples games and that doesn't mean - its OK cause the rules allow you to do it.&nbsp; There are plenty of movie examples where someone sacrifices themselves, allowing an ally to take them and the badguy out at the same time. Why can't you accept that in other peoples game worlds the summoned creatures show up with exactly that mind set already in place.&nbsp;Your opposition is based on your games. In another game world this use can be explicitly non evil. Real world examples can't be used because you can't summon creatures in the real world. Stop trying to use, &quot;Well you woukldn't do this in the real world as the basis for your argument.&nbsp;In a game world other than your's this activity doesn't even show up on the good/evil radar.&nbsp; Why can't you accept that?&nbsp;You aren't going to change anyone else's mind.All the reasons it works have been laid out for you.If you want to cry meta gaming, fine - I call shenanigans on you. All your examples are also meta gaming.&nbsp;Ciao</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Abraxas, post: 1904838, member: 1266"] You do realize your real world examples of cutting down one badguy to get a shot at another could be considered just as evil, especially if you are taking advantage of a seriously weakened opponent who probably would surrender if the BBEG was taken out. You do realize that the action is perfectly justified in others peoples games and that doesn't mean - its OK cause the rules allow you to do it. There are plenty of movie examples where someone sacrifices themselves, allowing an ally to take them and the badguy out at the same time. Why can't you accept that in other peoples game worlds the summoned creatures show up with exactly that mind set already in place. Your opposition is based on your games. In another game world this use can be explicitly non evil. Real world examples can't be used because you can't summon creatures in the real world. Stop trying to use, "Well you woukldn't do this in the real world as the basis for your argument. In a game world other than your's this activity doesn't even show up on the good/evil radar. Why can't you accept that? You aren't going to change anyone else's mind. All the reasons it works have been laid out for you. If you want to cry meta gaming, fine - I call shenanigans on you. All your examples are also meta gaming. Ciao [/QUOTE]

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