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<blockquote data-quote="Wrathamon" data-source="post: 1904985" data-attributes="member: 7989"><p>someone mentioned the reasons why WotC made Summon animals.monsters extraplanar to avoid morality issues is not accurate at all. The logical answer to why they made them extraplanar was to answer the question of where did they come from. As in okay I summon 3 hippogriffs... um okay the hippogriffs hear your call and start flying towards your direction... Hippogriffs just happened to be around the corner to answer your call? They made it so you had a magical explanation to how these things arrived to "aid" you.</p><p></p><p>Also, they wont go running in blindly... they will attack to the best of their ability. And running in to get slaughtered with AoO wouldn't be to the bestof their ability they would avoid them.</p><p>No offense but that sort of tactics of sending them to the slaughter house would mostly likely spread amongst the extraplanar communitee and when summoned most likely attack you or just refuse to aid you if possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p>YOu mentioned killing these creatures as the equivalent of knocking them out or putting them to sleep...</p><p></p><p>um.. lets see they take damage, die and then over the course of the next day reform to do what they do on their native plane only to hear the call the following day to get slaughtered again... that sounds like torture or living in some sort of hellish life.</p><p></p><p>Torture is pretty evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The other day when I was running a game the party was summoned to one of the layers of the abyss by a Good Diety who was fighting a powerful evil demongod. The party had to attack the demon but the Good Dietie's ally got Aoo on the party and cleaved them all killing them. But, he was able to kill the evil demon, go party! The party died, but over the course of the next day they reformed. During that day they lost their base was attacked, burned down and all their treasure was stolen. </p><p></p><p>Do you think they should reform at full HPs and spells for the day or do you think they are left at 1hp?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wrathamon, post: 1904985, member: 7989"] someone mentioned the reasons why WotC made Summon animals.monsters extraplanar to avoid morality issues is not accurate at all. The logical answer to why they made them extraplanar was to answer the question of where did they come from. As in okay I summon 3 hippogriffs... um okay the hippogriffs hear your call and start flying towards your direction... Hippogriffs just happened to be around the corner to answer your call? They made it so you had a magical explanation to how these things arrived to "aid" you. Also, they wont go running in blindly... they will attack to the best of their ability. And running in to get slaughtered with AoO wouldn't be to the bestof their ability they would avoid them. No offense but that sort of tactics of sending them to the slaughter house would mostly likely spread amongst the extraplanar communitee and when summoned most likely attack you or just refuse to aid you if possible. YOu mentioned killing these creatures as the equivalent of knocking them out or putting them to sleep... um.. lets see they take damage, die and then over the course of the next day reform to do what they do on their native plane only to hear the call the following day to get slaughtered again... that sounds like torture or living in some sort of hellish life. Torture is pretty evil. The other day when I was running a game the party was summoned to one of the layers of the abyss by a Good Diety who was fighting a powerful evil demongod. The party had to attack the demon but the Good Dietie's ally got Aoo on the party and cleaved them all killing them. But, he was able to kill the evil demon, go party! The party died, but over the course of the next day they reformed. During that day they lost their base was attacked, burned down and all their treasure was stolen. Do you think they should reform at full HPs and spells for the day or do you think they are left at 1hp? [/QUOTE]
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