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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1905079" data-attributes="member: 2011">Wrong. Summon Nature's Ally already pulls in non-extraplanar creatures. So, your explanation does not wash.Also, I mentioned it because I recall the Sage stating this a long time ago when the "bucket of snails" problem came up.Plus, if they were natural creatures, Summon Monster could be a special version of summoning which pulls natural hippogriffs in from 2000 miles away, just like Summon Nature's Ally already does. No problem.They are extraplanar because:1) It avoids the morality issue when the creature reforms. Summoning spells are purposely "non-intrusive" as opposed to calling spells where called creatures actually die (or planar teleporting spells where the same can happen).2) Fiendish and Celestial creatures (the two primary SM types of creatures) are already outsiders and hence extraplanar when on the material plane. It was easier and more consistent (rules-wise) for the game designers to make all such creatures extraplanar in Summon Monster that way.Running in a straight line IS "to the best of their ability" unless they would take an AoO from a creature they KNOW to be an opponent. If they do not know the Fighter is going to attack them, then they would not worry about it.From Lesser Planar Ally:"Few if any creatures will accept a task that seems suicidal (remember, a called creature actually dies when it is killed, unlike a summoned creature)."Note the word "seems".Summon Monster does not state this because they do not actually die.Again, totally wrong.From the FAQ:"In any case, they suffer no lasting effect (for good or ill) from any summoning episode. If a character uses a summon nature's ally spell to summon an animal, the caster could indeed cast an animal friendship spell on it. When the summon nature's ally spell ends, however, the animal is gone, and it is no longer affected by the animal friendship spell."They suffer no lasting effect, including remembering anything about what happened to them.It might if they remembered it.But, "they suffer no lasting effect (for good or ill) from any summoning episode".Period.No exceptions.Anything else is just people changing the rules and the FAQ.The morality issue is totally moot. Not one quote from the books or the FAQ has been used to support the morality issue, just people's opinions. That doesn't count in a rules forum.</blockquote>

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