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<blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1906366" data-attributes="member: 1266">I'll just quote this little section from the PHB.In some game worlds the summoned creatures show up with this already in mind.&nbsp; This allows them to be used for a whole slew of tasks that a lot of people who say being attacked by an ally is evil have probably already been using them for.&nbsp; In all the games I have played in, this is hardwired into summoned creatures, they are absolutely ready to sacrifice themselves to defeat the enemy.&nbsp; If that means gang-piling on the BBEG while we fireball the lot, so be it.&nbsp; If that means sacrificing themslves in direct combat, so be it. If that means taking an attack of opportunity from the BBEG to rescue a fallen PC, so be it.&nbsp; They do it.&nbsp; Thats as simple as it gets.&nbsp; What this means is that in these games, being used for AoO fodder isn't evil.&nbsp; I also hope this closes the little &quot;It is evil&quot; discussion.&nbsp; It isn't, and has never been, evil by the rules.Then it shouldn't be in the rules forumI'm pretty sure most of us that don't allow AoO/Cleave to be used don't think its broken - we just don't think its reasonable/stylistically acceptable.&nbsp; It is only an evil act if you set up your game world so that it is an evil act.&nbsp; I find it much more humorous that those who would allow AoO/Cleave have to jump on the &quot;its evil and good character's wouldn't do it&quot; bandwagon to prevent its so called abuse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Abraxas, post: 1906366, member: 1266"] I'll just quote this little section from the PHB. In some game worlds the summoned creatures show up with this already in mind. This allows them to be used for a whole slew of tasks that a lot of people who say being attacked by an ally is evil have probably already been using them for. In all the games I have played in, this is hardwired into summoned creatures, they are absolutely ready to sacrifice themselves to defeat the enemy. If that means gang-piling on the BBEG while we fireball the lot, so be it. If that means sacrificing themslves in direct combat, so be it. If that means taking an attack of opportunity from the BBEG to rescue a fallen PC, so be it. They do it. Thats as simple as it gets. What this means is that in these games, being used for AoO fodder isn't evil. I also hope this closes the little "It is evil" discussion. It isn't, and has never been, evil [I][B]by the rules[/B][/I]. Then it shouldn't be in the rules forum I'm pretty sure most of us that don't allow AoO/Cleave to be used don't think its broken - we just don't think its reasonable/stylistically acceptable. It is only an evil act if you set up your game world so that it is an evil act. I find it much more humorous that those who would allow AoO/Cleave have to jump on the "its evil and good character's wouldn't do it" bandwagon to prevent its so called abuse. [/QUOTE]

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