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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 1906432" data-attributes="member: 2268">Heh, finally the only real answer to the alignment discussion...that it always depends on the situation, and the intention/motivation for a certain action how it reflects on the character's alignment. It's still not as simple as you make it out, as certain actions can still be considered evil even if the motivations for them are good, but overall, this is the right point. Took some time, though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I guess we'll simply have to agree to differ on what constitutes incapacitation and what constitutes death. All the relevant pieces of text clearly state that a summoned creature can be killed, i.e. it is dead afterwards. The fact that it is returned to it's point of origin and it's body is reformed after 24 hours doesn't negate the fact that the creature has been killed before. If you prefer to refer to a creature that has been reduced to -10 or lower as incapacitated, and not as killed..*shrugs*...as I said, we'll have to agree to differ.Just as a kicker...if the creature is not killed when it reaches -10 HP, but simply vanishes in a puff...sorry, but the fighter won't get any Cleave out of this. No kill, no Cleave.We could start a whole new thread from this alone, because the spell description doesn't state that the summoned creature is "a slave". The creature arrives, and either immediately attacks the caster's enemy, or it can be directed by the caster to do other things. Nowhere is it said it does so because it is forced or coerced...it's Conjuration (Summoning), not Enchantment (Compulsion). I could easily claim that the creatures do what they're told from their own free will, because good creatures will automatically view a good caster as a trusted ally, evil creatures will see a neutral caster as a potential corruption victim and such obey, and an evil caster as authority whom they have to obey anyway. Not moot...only situationally dependent. But that heavily. Which is why I said that alignment adjudication is not as easy as people would like it to have. I thought that was already clear by the slew of paladin problem threads that exist. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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