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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1906469" data-attributes="member: 2011">Please. You have no conception of what I can understand, so don't even try the backhanded insult. You are not very good at it.1) You do NOT kill the celestial creature. Why is this basic rule beyond you? You keep mistakenly bring this up.2) Quote a rule that harming a celestial creature is an evil act. Otherwise, you are making up your own objective system.3) Summoning a fiendish creature is NOT an evil act, by its very nature."When you use a summoning spell to summon an air, chaotic, earth, evil, fire, good, lawful, or water creature, it is a spell of that type.""A cleric casts divine spells, which are drawn from the cleric spell list. However, his alignment may restrict him from casting certain spells opposed to his moral or ethical beliefs; see Chaotic, Evil, Good, and Lawful Spells, below."Where in the rules does it state that casting a spell of a given type is that type of action?Just because a Cleric is restricted from casting spells of that type does NOT mean that casting that type (e.g. evil) of spell is that type (e.g. evil) of action."Spells associated with particular alignments are indicated by the chaos, evil, good, and law descriptors in their spell descriptions."This does not state that casting an evil spell is an evil action.In fact, the opposite is stated:"The descriptors are acid, air, chaotic, cold, darkness, death, earth, electricity, evil, fear, fire, force, good, language-dependent, lawful, light, mind-affecting, sonic, and water.Most of these descriptors have no game effect by themselves, but they govern how the spell interacts with other spells, with special abilities, with unusual creatures, with alignment, and so on."Since the alignment section does not state that it is evil to cast an evil spell, it isn't. Alignment here is for things like targets of spells.Quote the rules. Don't just make stuff up.Wrong again.You are summoning it for the express purpose of harming the BBEG.The greater good.Wipe out 50 people with a disease so that 5 million do not get it and die.If you cannot understand this, you cannot understand morality.I am waiting for your rules which indicate differently.You have yet to quote them.Your assumptions above are mistaken.It is still moot until you can back up your opinion here with rules quotes.Prove your point with rules quotes that support your position.</blockquote>

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