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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 1906490" data-attributes="member: 2268">Uhm, excuse me, but how is it any argument to bury one the one example we are talking about under a heap of other examples, some of which could be easily identified as evil as the present discussion topic, and then claiming "If all those aren't evil, the last one isn't either!"? Especially as you're talking about the games you played in. That is nice and good if we were discussing about the games you played in...but we're not. We're talking about the morality of a certain situation from the point of view of the D&D core rules.I'm sorry, but so far there haven't been any helpful arguments towards that topic, only a heap of examples that are not really comparable to the situation discussed, and a claim without arguments.Wasn't me placing it here, I'm just responding to the original question of the thread creator, namely voicing my opinion and the action discussed, and defending it with the appropriate arguments until somebody finds a way to invalidate them. If you think this is the wrong forum for it, you could ask an admin to move it? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I'm not out to "prevent" any abuse, I'm just stating my opinion on what the tactic described can do to a character's alignment. That's no bandwagon, that's a DM's train of thought...I don't have to jump it, I'm sitting at the controls. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> And I'm not trying to use alignment to prevent the AoO+Cleave combo from being used...I'm only stating that the maneuver of heedlessly attacking an ally with the intent to kill him to gain a personal advantage is, in most cases, an evil act, at least in my opinion derived from the core rules. I've also stated more than once that I'd allow that maneuver, and that there are a lot of situations in which that act might be considered not evil. See above for my point on the relevance of intentions on the alignment consequences of actions.</blockquote>

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