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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 1906684" data-attributes="member: 2268">Okay, cheap shot calls for cheap shot...my apologies <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  It can't depend on the framework of the individual game, as D&D is working on a pretty absolute blanket morality, which is defined by the meager scraps of information they give in the PHB. If you are not taking Book of Vile Darkness and Book of Exalted Deeds into account, which I both don't have, and which both aren't core material, as far as I recall. The problem with "this particular use of summoned creatures" is that this is not detailed enough on the situation itself, the intentions and motivations of either wizard nor fighter, to enable someone to adequately point out an alignment direction. Uhm, yes? That exactly is what apparently makes a D&D paladin a damn hard class to play? The fact that the frame for good behaviour is given in the alignment section, and that the finer details have to be worked out first before the game starts...ideally. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> The alignment rules luckily provide enough leeway for some interpretation, which is exactly what we're doing here, right? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />   Okay...so somebody who has no qualms about cutting down an ally to gain a personal advantage in combat is not commiting an evil act? I'd like to pester you for either an explanation of that opinion, if you have the patience to explain, or better give me the details in that situation about why it is no evil act.For my own part:The fighter in question has no problems simply cutting down and killing an ally with one blow without any provocation, because it is convenient to do so to gain a personal advantage against his opponent.According to the rules, that's the action of an evil character.Mitigating facts?- Has the wizard told him that those creatures are his allies, or does he percieve them as annoying disturbance in his fight, or even a threat conjured up by his opponents?  Easily solved by noting that none of them attack him or disturb his fighting.- Does the fighter know those creatures will be resurrected 24 hours after they were killed? He may, if either the wizard told him (if HE knows that), or if he himself has some Spellcraft, Knowledge (Arcana) or Knowledg (Planes) skills. Even if, he still has no problems slaughtering an ally, even if the damage is undone later. Neutral at best, as this shows a callous demeanor towards causing pain and ending a life as soon as it offers a slight advantage.- Was the killing agreed upon by the slain creatures? If yes, we're dealing with a different set of dice, because then ALL parties were in agreement on the maneuver, and it can be seen as a self-sacrifice, which was willingly given  and properly used. A little prayer of thanks and a symbolic apology after the victory would still be "good behaviour" in my opinion, but that's each to his own. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Damn, and here I thought I found somebody who'd be able to help me win the lottery <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> Good gaming right back at you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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