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<blockquote data-quote="Storyteller01" data-source="post: 1908589" data-attributes="member: 20931">Almost, but not quite. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm using the 'real life' examples to find a justification for striking an ALLY (sorry about the caps)for this same reason, and it not be evil or without consequence. I have no problem with the Cleave or the AoO/Cleave combo, and I'm willing to accept some pretty outlandish reasons or examples for their use, if only for the sake of fun.But when I've asked for justification on using an ally or summoned critter (if it is summoned, then assume it's an ally), all I've received is some variations of 'I'm an evil psychopath' or 'it's in (or not in) the rules'.There is the 'celestial' critter is just a construct powered by a celestial consciousness'. However, this seems very complicated and overpowered for a first level spell, and this still doesn't explain why you can gain an AoO from them.All I'm asking is that those who use this tactic to justify it beyond 'it's in the game world'. Unless you and your DM have agreed on something before play, this translates to 'it's in the rules'. In IMHO, this constitutes a method of metagaming (why in a lawful good paladin allowed to strike celestial allies?)Hey, if your playing an evil character, go for it. Accepting that mantle means you know the possible consequences ahead of time (dodging them is half the fun!). But what about everyone else?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storyteller01, post: 1908589, member: 20931"] Almost, but not quite. :) I'm using the 'real life' examples to find a justification for striking an ALLY (sorry about the caps)for this same reason, and it not be evil or without consequence. I have no problem with the Cleave or the AoO/Cleave combo, and I'm willing to accept some pretty outlandish reasons or examples for their use, if only for the sake of fun. But when I've asked for justification on using an ally or summoned critter (if it is summoned, then assume it's an ally), all I've received is some variations of 'I'm an evil psychopath' or 'it's in (or not in) the rules'. There is the 'celestial' critter is just a construct powered by a celestial consciousness'. However, this seems very complicated and overpowered for a first level spell, and this still doesn't explain why you can gain an AoO from them. All I'm asking is that those who use this tactic to justify it beyond 'it's in the game world'. Unless you and your DM have agreed on something before play, this translates to 'it's in the rules'. In IMHO, this constitutes a method of metagaming (why in a lawful good paladin allowed to strike celestial allies?) Hey, if your playing an evil character, go for it. Accepting that mantle means you know the possible consequences ahead of time (dodging them is half the fun!). But what about everyone else? [/QUOTE]

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