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<blockquote data-quote="Wrathamon" data-source="post: 1908809" data-attributes="member: 7989"><p>Okay, I understand you HR the term "Enemy" but you are trying to state that you can AoO it in the rules... but you can't by the rules.</p><p></p><p>You are trying to use a "literal" explanation for an "abstract" game mechanic.... </p><p></p><p>That is the problem you are having... or should I say "did" have since you have changed it for your game, but you really should have disclaimers going in your posts about rules when you are "changing" the rules.</p><p></p><p>You can't AoO summoned critters from an ally (someone in your party) because they aren’t enemies by the rules. </p><p></p><p>You can interpret those rules and change those rules, and by all means do so as you see fit, they aren’t WotC rules, they are everyone’s rules!! </p><p></p><p>But, make sure other people understand that you are basing your arguments on your belief in how the rules should be instead of the RAW. I must admit it seemed to me you were trying to say the rule is this, when clearly it is not, but if you made it clear that this was your definitions and how you play them, then we could make a strong case that this was an okay HR or rule change and we could move on.</p><p></p><p>I think your house rule on declaring enemies to be fine, it does break certain fundamentals in the game, but it seems that you fix those as they come up or you use them to your advantage (bag of puppies). By doing this you add another layer of complexity that better reflects real life.</p><p></p><p>Undead are your enemy by nature of you being alive... in "most" literature and games... the ranger has a Favored Enemy in Undead for a D&D example.</p><p></p><p>But, I understand your point <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Okay, about that dead horse? Can we beat it some more? I think I am about to level... It's amazing how much XP you get from beating a dead horse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wrathamon, post: 1908809, member: 7989"] Okay, I understand you HR the term "Enemy" but you are trying to state that you can AoO it in the rules... but you can't by the rules. You are trying to use a "literal" explanation for an "abstract" game mechanic.... That is the problem you are having... or should I say "did" have since you have changed it for your game, but you really should have disclaimers going in your posts about rules when you are "changing" the rules. You can't AoO summoned critters from an ally (someone in your party) because they aren’t enemies by the rules. You can interpret those rules and change those rules, and by all means do so as you see fit, they aren’t WotC rules, they are everyone’s rules!! But, make sure other people understand that you are basing your arguments on your belief in how the rules should be instead of the RAW. I must admit it seemed to me you were trying to say the rule is this, when clearly it is not, but if you made it clear that this was your definitions and how you play them, then we could make a strong case that this was an okay HR or rule change and we could move on. I think your house rule on declaring enemies to be fine, it does break certain fundamentals in the game, but it seems that you fix those as they come up or you use them to your advantage (bag of puppies). By doing this you add another layer of complexity that better reflects real life. Undead are your enemy by nature of you being alive... in "most" literature and games... the ranger has a Favored Enemy in Undead for a D&D example. But, I understand your point :) Okay, about that dead horse? Can we beat it some more? I think I am about to level... It's amazing how much XP you get from beating a dead horse. [/QUOTE]
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