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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1908909" data-attributes="member: 2011">Let me reiterate for the thousandth time:IT IS NOT KILLINGIT IS NOT SLAYINGIT IS NOT KILLINGIT IS NOT SLAYINGIT IS NOT KILLINGIT IS NOT SLAYINGIT IS NOT KILLINGIT IS NOT SLAYINGWHY is this so hard to comprehend?They are not EVEN allies. Allies according to the rules are friendly to you. These creatures are NOT friendly to you. They do not have an opinion about you or anything else while summoned except attacking the opponents of the summoner which is part of the compulsion of the spell. The enemy of the summoner can be another summoned celestial creature and the celestial creature summoned will attack it no questions asked.They are slaves. Period.People are associating all of these humanistic traits to these creatures which they do not possess while summoned. They can use their thinking to adjust to combat situations, but they do not form opinions about good and evil while summoned. They do not consider the sneaky evil rogue in the party to be just another bad guy and attack him unless told to do so by the summoner.They are slaves which are not harmed in any way by the spell.They are slaves which do not have any lasting effects, including remembering what happens to them.Being summoned to them is like going to sleep at night and then waking up in the morning. They are totally fine and have no concept of what happened to them.AND, it would be common knowledge in a magical world like this that they are not REALLY harmed because otherwise, no good character would agree to use them as a slave for merely attacking bad guys ANYWAY. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either AoOing them is evil and summoning them in the first place to attack others is evil (forcing someone to fight to the death for you), or NEITHER of these is evil.So, you have yet to illustrate HOW it can be an evil act to harm a creature which is not an ally and which is not actually harmed by the act.</blockquote>

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