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<blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1909175" data-attributes="member: 1266">Well, yours is also a single interpretation. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Whats really funny is that everyone I've talked to in my neck of the gaming woods thinks your interpretation is odd to say the least.&nbsp;Actually, its a number of rules being discussed as they relate to one another.&nbsp;Rule 1 concerns Cleave.I dislike the AoO/Cleave routine.You like the AoO/Cleave routine&nbsp;Rule 2 being discussed concerns AoOs.I like the idea that allies could provoke AoOs.You dislike the idea that allies could provoke AoOs.&nbsp;By the RAW my thoughts on AoOs and Cleave are wrong.&nbsp; That doesn't change what I think about those rules.&nbsp;Explain why an ally doesn't provoke an AoO when drinking a potion in the square next to you during the battle other than the rules for AoO's say enemy.&nbsp; Don't explain why you wouldn't take the AoO, just why you can't.&nbsp;I disagree that a non-enemy can't draw an AOA - even if this is by the RAW.&nbsp;Into this we toss Rule 3 concerning summoned creatures.You like treat them like PCs/NPCsI treat them like spell effects&nbsp;Neither is right or wrong.However neither of us has to worry about the summoned creature AoO/Cleave trick.&nbsp; Why? Because you don't allow characters to AoO allies, I don't allow AoO/Cleaves.&nbsp;So, I'm not disallowing AoO/Cleave because of the possible abuse using summoned creatures, I don't have to worry about abuse because I don't allow AoO/Cleaves in the first place.&nbsp; &nbsp;My decisions/interpretations neatly solve the issue of mook liability and the morality issues with the myriad uses of summoned creatures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Abraxas, post: 1909175, member: 1266"] Well, yours is also a single interpretation. :) Whats really funny is that everyone I've talked to in my neck of the gaming woods thinks your interpretation is odd to say the least. Actually, its a number of rules being discussed as they relate to one another. [i]Rule 1 concerns Cleave.[/i] I dislike the AoO/Cleave routine. You like the AoO/Cleave routine [i]Rule 2 being discussed concerns AoOs.[/i] I like the idea that allies could provoke AoOs. You dislike the idea that allies could provoke AoOs. By the RAW my thoughts on AoOs and Cleave are wrong. That doesn't change what I think about those rules. Explain why an ally doesn't provoke an AoO when drinking a potion in the square next to you during the battle other than the rules for AoO's say enemy. Don't explain why you wouldn't take the AoO, just why you can't. I disagree that a non-enemy can't draw an AOA - even if this is by the RAW. [i]Into this we toss Rule 3 concerning summoned creatures.[/i] You like treat them like PCs/NPCs I treat them like spell effects Neither is right or wrong. However neither of us has to worry about the summoned creature AoO/Cleave trick. Why? Because you don't allow characters to AoO allies, I don't allow AoO/Cleaves. So, I'm not disallowing AoO/Cleave because of the possible abuse using summoned creatures, I don't have to worry about abuse because I don't allow AoO/Cleaves in the first place. My decisions/interpretations neatly solve the issue of mook liability and the morality issues with the myriad uses of summoned creatures. [/QUOTE]

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