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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1909711" data-attributes="member: 2011">I have never once said that. Show me where I said that.Also, I have to shout because you are NOT listening. I'll prove this in a second.&quot;A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower. It is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can’t be summoned again.&quot;The creature is killed according to game mechanics and game mechanics only, but it does not die in the reality of the game.&quot;It is not really dead.&quot;&quot;It is not really dead.&quot;&quot;It is not really dead.&quot;This is RAW. This is why Clerics have no problem with summoning them in the first place.&quot;Unlike most other living creatures, an outsider does not have a dual nature—its soul and body form one unit. When an outsider is slain, no soul is set loose.&quot;&quot;When a living creature dies, its soul departs its body, leaves the Material Plane, travels through the Astral Plane, and goes to abide on the plane where the creature’s deity resides.&quot; These are NOT living creatures that can die in this circumstance. They do not die when summoned. Their souls do not leave their bodies.By the RAW.Get it?Is it a good act to have and control slaves???You are allowing a morality of &quot;slaves are ok&quot;, but &quot;sending creatures back to their original plane of existence by destroying them on this plane of existance (even though it does not harm them to do so) is not ok&quot;.This is a very skewed morality.I would even say that destroying them on this plane IS a good act because it frees them from slavery.The assumption all of the &quot;this is an evil act&quot; people are making is that it is an evil act.Prove that it is evil according to RAW.I have used RAW to prove the opposite. It is a neutral act because the deities set the system up this way. It is a neutral act because they are not truly harmed. It is a good act because it frees them from slavery.Evil and good is based on the reasons for doing so. Your extremely naive opinion that &quot;it is evil because harming another is evil&quot; does not cut it.Your PCs &quot;harm others&quot; all of the time. If your assumption here was true, then all PCs are evil. Including yours.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1909711, member: 2011"] I have never once said that. Show me where I said that. Also, I have to shout because you are NOT listening. I'll prove this in a second. "A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower. It is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can’t be summoned again." The creature is killed according to game mechanics and game mechanics only, but it does not die in the reality of the game. "It is not really dead." "It is not really dead." "It is not really dead." This is RAW. This is why Clerics have no problem with summoning them in the first place. "Unlike most other living creatures, an outsider does not have a dual nature—its soul and body form one unit. When an outsider is slain, no soul is set loose." "When a living creature dies, its soul departs its body, leaves the Material Plane, travels through the Astral Plane, and goes to abide on the plane where the creature’s deity resides." These are NOT living creatures that can die in this circumstance. They do not die when summoned. Their souls do not leave their bodies. By the RAW. Get it? Is it a good act to have and control slaves??? You are allowing a morality of "slaves are ok", but "sending creatures back to their original plane of existence by destroying them on this plane of existance (even though it does not harm them to do so) is not ok". This is a very skewed morality. I would even say that destroying them on this plane IS a good act because it frees them from slavery. The assumption all of the "this is an evil act" people are making is that it is an evil act. Prove that it is evil according to RAW. I have used RAW to prove the opposite. It is a neutral act because the deities set the system up this way. It is a neutral act because they are not truly harmed. It is a good act because it frees them from slavery. Evil and good is based on the reasons for doing so. Your extremely naive opinion that "it is evil because harming another is evil" does not cut it. Your PCs "harm others" all of the time. If your assumption here was true, then all PCs are evil. Including yours. [/QUOTE]

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