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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 1910705" data-attributes="member: 2268">Bingo. That's what I've been doing for the last two days. Or do you really think I'm here with the mission to convince everybody that I'm right, and that I can prove it from the rules as written? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Yup, and that reason was most likely because Hasbro wants to sell this product called D&D to the parents of 12-years old, too, with an eye on how the merciless butchering and killing of summoned creatures would affect said parents opinion of this product. They could as well have tacked a "No animals or outerplanar creatures are harmed in the course of this special effect." sentence at the end. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Of course it does kill the creature. It says in the description that they can be killed, hmm? That the act of killing them sends them away is a side effect of the spell's magic.Who's us? Right now, you're the very only one who claims that those creatures killed during the summoning are not dead, that they effectively are not even harmed, but merely put to sleep, and wake up 24 hours later without any memory of what happened. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> And, as far as I'm concerned, I've explained the "different interpretation" at last twice in the course of this thread. Being dead is the condition a creature is in after it has been killed. "It's not really dead", with the explanation about the body being reformed 24 hours later, can be summarized as an "It's not dead for very long".How about you trying to explain to me what they mean with "not really dead"? What is it, then, in the 24 hours that it takes for the body to reform? Does it not exist in the meantime? Does Summon Monster miraculously create a new soul, as the body and soul of an outsider are the same? And why am I even bothering to ask, seeing as you simply ignore any question that would put your whole line of reasoning into the game's context, and instead keep throwing simple sentences at me like "It's not killing" and "It is not really dead" as some kind of arguments.Nah, that's okay, fortunately there's enough context in the whole game to put this little sentence into. No need to dismiss it, except as either a badly worded timeframe, or a badly framed disclaimer.That's weird, why then does it say two sentences before that it goes away if it is killed, and not that it goes away if it's body is destroyed? Maybe because, as you so nicely quoted a few posts back, for an outsider, body and soul are the same? You kill the body, you destroy the soul. The magic simply makes sure it will come back in perfect condition, kinda like a delayed True Resurrection or Limited Wish with a perfect chance of occuring.Hmhmm...my unique interpretation du jour actually takes all the rules into account, at least all that matter. A creature is summoned by a spell, and as soon as it is decimated to -10 HP, i.e. it is killed by D&D rules, it dies, vanishes, and is resurrected 24 hours later in a new body on it's home plane, where the spell effect deposited it. The "It's not really dead" simply comes into play as a disclaimer that this creature doesn't stay dead, as the resurrection effect takes place under all circumstances, except maybe if it's home plane is destroyed in the intervening time, so it will always come back to life. It's not really dead, it will be resurrected with a 100% certainty in 24 hours. It won't lose a level, won't lose a point of Constitution, won't be under any lingering spell effects, and as bad memories don't have any measurable effect in D&D, it won't suffer from it being killed, same way no resurrected character suffers mental repercussions for being killed.Now, if I would have to summarize your unique interpretation du jour, it'd be something like: A creature is summoned by a spell, and as soon as it is decimated to -10 HP, it is killed, except that it isn't really, because it can't be killed, it simply vanishes. It is not really dead though, it simply is...gone, maybe sleeping, maybe simply not there...until it is reformed 24 hours later. It can't be dead because, if it's killed, it is not really dead.</blockquote>

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