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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2907931" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>It does.</p><p></p><p><em>You can use a double weapon to make an extra attack with the off-hand end of the weapon as if you were fighting with two weapons.</em></p><p></p><p>What are the effects of that?</p><p></p><p><em><strong>TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING</strong></em></p><p><em>If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways: </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. (An unarmed strike is always considered light.)</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.</em></p><p></p><p>So, what are the effects of the first sentence? I can get an extra attack with the off-hand end of my two-bladed sword, with lots of penalties. That sentence is taken into account, and that's its effect.</p><p></p><p>For purposes of determining those penalties, what sort of weapon is it? Considered Light (per the second sentence).</p><p></p><p>For purposes of determining <em>everything else</em>, like Str bonus to damage, what sort of weapon is it? Two-handed. It's a two-bladed sword.</p><p></p><p>Unless there's a rule that says otherwise somewhere.</p><p></p><p>The sentence is taken into account, but the sentence doesn't change that I'm using a two-handed weapon. It does let me make an extra attack as if I were fighting with two weapons, but doesn't change the weapon I'm fighting with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure - I don't want 1.5x/1.5x or even 1.5x/.5x Str bonus to damage with double weapons, so my ruling is essentially the same as the FAQ's.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One feature of the Flurr of Blows is that "When using weapons as part of a flurry of blows, a monk applies her Strength bonus (not Str bonus x 1-1/2 or x 1/2) to her damage rolls for all successful attacks, whether she wields a weapon in one or both hands."</p><p></p><p>When using sai, this is an advantage - your 1x is not diminished, and your .5x is increased. When using a staff, it's potentially a disadvantage - your 1.5x is reduced to 1x.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2907931, member: 1656"] It does. [i]You can use a double weapon to make an extra attack with the off-hand end of the weapon as if you were fighting with two weapons.[/i] What are the effects of that? [i][b]TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING[/b] If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways: If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. (An unarmed strike is always considered light.) The Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.[/i] So, what are the effects of the first sentence? I can get an extra attack with the off-hand end of my two-bladed sword, with lots of penalties. That sentence is taken into account, and that's its effect. For purposes of determining those penalties, what sort of weapon is it? Considered Light (per the second sentence). For purposes of determining [i]everything else[/i], like Str bonus to damage, what sort of weapon is it? Two-handed. It's a two-bladed sword. Unless there's a rule that says otherwise somewhere. The sentence is taken into account, but the sentence doesn't change that I'm using a two-handed weapon. It does let me make an extra attack as if I were fighting with two weapons, but doesn't change the weapon I'm fighting with. Sure - I don't want 1.5x/1.5x or even 1.5x/.5x Str bonus to damage with double weapons, so my ruling is essentially the same as the FAQ's. One feature of the Flurr of Blows is that "When using weapons as part of a flurry of blows, a monk applies her Strength bonus (not Str bonus x 1-1/2 or x 1/2) to her damage rolls for all successful attacks, whether she wields a weapon in one or both hands." When using sai, this is an advantage - your 1x is not diminished, and your .5x is increased. When using a staff, it's potentially a disadvantage - your 1.5x is reduced to 1x. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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