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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dingo333" data-source="post: 5547930" data-attributes="member: 6672910">Personally, I don't like the idea, but I would be willing to try it outMy biggest problem would be how you would balance some things. For example, Oracle, Alchemist, Inquisitor, Summoner, Magus. An oracle would be in the caster (slow) progression, that is fine, it makes sense and is fair. An alchemist would fall where? fast? it has spells/extracts. Medium? it is lumped with a bard there, the only thing that compares, and then it is nerfed compared to rouge. Fast? even more nerf, can't keep up with its buddys in that track for spells. Inquisitor, paladin falls into medium, but inquisitor is more spells (and more useful ones) then a pally or ranger. It is also lower BAB compared to ranger and equal to cleric. so does it go in the medium-slow progression as it is kinda a halfway point between cleric and ranger? Magus has similar problems (I know it is not out YET comments on magus based on last playtest and spoilers). Summoner may be even worse off. Glancing at it, it gets slow off the bat, but this isn't fair to it, as it has no direct attack spells, and its main attack form is the eidolon or summons, both of which are slowed already compared to a fighter of the summoner's level.I agree with Crothian. The classes are more balanced then you would think.A paladin will outshine a fighter vs UndeadA ranger will outshine a fighter in the wildA cleric will outshine a paladin vs UndeadA cleric can outshine a paladin in healingA wizard will outshine the fighter in a siege/massive battleA rouge outshines everyone in a dungeon with trapsIn a short skirmish, the fighter will outshine the wizardEach class has a niche, and a good DM will make encounters so that each can shine without outshining another. Each will get to show their area of expertiseP.S. The rouge gets A 0 level spells, usable 3pd and A 1st level spell, useable 2pd and (at or after 10th) the ability to try to dispel a magic effect on their target if they sneak attack. Unless there is another talent I am not aware of or you are speaking about UMD, I don't see an issue with them being noncaster type except their damage overshadowing the rest of the group</blockquote>

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