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<blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 1174361" data-attributes="member: 94">But that's not what table 2-5 says to do. Table 2-5 says that my PEL (for 2 characters) is Party Level - 2. Table 2-5 shows that the &quot;baseline&quot; for PEL is 4 characters. And your examples bear this out: PL 19, 2 characters = EL 15, PL 19, 4 characters = EL 17, PL 19 with 13 characters = EL 20, etc.Not far out... But shouldn't they be exactly the same? I consider this an error.Using the method I mentioned above, for what it's worth:Total CR factors (of your example party) = 77. CR 77 = EL 25, adjusted for 4 creatures = EL 21. Four 19th level characters should be equal to EL 21. This result only holds up to the &quot;mixed groups&quot; analysis, though. I still can't figure out why the Party Encounter Level should not be identical to the EL of the same 4 &quot;creatures&quot; whether they are the party, or the adversary. I believe that the error here is in the formula presented in the Party Level section-- you are reducing the effective level of the creatures involved by averaging the CR's across the party. You wouldn't do this to a group of mixed creatures, so I don't see the rationale in doing this to a mixed group of characters in a party. CR and EL should be constant-- right?Wulf</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wulf Ratbane, post: 1174361, member: 94"] But that's not what table 2-5 says to do. Table 2-5 says that my PEL (for 2 characters) is Party Level - 2. Table 2-5 shows that the "baseline" for PEL is 4 characters. And your examples bear this out: PL 19, 2 characters = EL 15, PL 19, 4 characters = EL 17, PL 19 with 13 characters = EL 20, etc. Not far out... But [i]shouldn't[/i] they be exactly the same? I consider this an error. Using the method I mentioned above, for what it's worth: Total CR factors (of your example party) = 77. CR 77 = EL 25, adjusted for 4 creatures = EL 21. Four 19th level characters should be equal to EL 21. This result only holds up to the "mixed groups" analysis, though. I still can't figure out why the Party Encounter Level should not be identical to the EL of the same 4 "creatures" whether they are the party, or the adversary. I believe that the error here is in the formula presented in the Party Level section-- you are reducing the effective level of the creatures involved by [i]averaging[/i] the CR's across the party. You wouldn't do this to a group of mixed creatures, so I don't see the rationale in doing this to a mixed group of characters in a party. CR and EL should be constant-- right? Wulf [/QUOTE]

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