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<blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 1174515" data-attributes="member: 94">I'm gonna have to have you walk me through this one. Let me see if I understand.Two 20th level player charactersFour 12th level cohorts10x 1st level henchmen(I consider this a reasonable party grouping, such as one might find in Piratecat's Story Hour.)By my calculations, as a mixed group of adversaries, they are EL19. (CR total = 98, CR 98 = EL 27, sixteen creatures adjusts to EL19).As a party, using your method, they are (98 levels / 16 characters) = Party Level 6.125.Apply this to Table 2-1 per instructions yields EL 11.Modify that by the number of characters in the party using Table 2-5 yields a PEL of 15.So when this group &quot;fights itself&quot; we have PEL 15 vs. EL 19, which according to Table 2-6 means a 50/50 fight.Did I get that right all the way through?If so, I think my confusion arises because of your terminology. The &quot;Party Encounter Level&quot; does not mean, as it seems to imply, &quot;The EL of this particular party.&quot; I note that in your explanation to me above you actually make this same mistake.Rather, PEL means, &quot;The appropriate EL of an encounter designed to be a moderate challenge for this party.&quot;PEL does NOT scale up according to the number of creatures in the group, as you misstated above-- that is to say, we should not apply Table 2-3 to this group. You've already taken care of the number of creatures in Table 2-5.So to try to sum up and wrap up (unsuccessfully...) and perhaps hint at an easier walkthrough:The EL of this group is, correctly calculated, at EL19.A &quot;50/50&quot; matchup for this group is EL 19 (as you would expect).The appropriate &quot;moderate encounter&quot; for this group is EL 15.(That could be a single CR12 adversary; or it could be 6-7 CR5 adversaries, or it could be 16-31 CR3 adversaries... etc...)You could simply find the EL of the group and then apply that result against a chart showing the breakdown:Encounter EL - Party EL ---&gt; Victory-12 ---&gt; 99.3%-10 ---&gt; 98.4%-8 ---&gt; 96.8%-6 ---&gt; 93.7%-4 ---&gt; 87.5%-2 ---&gt; 75%+/- 0 ---&gt; 50% (encouter level = party's encounter level)+2 ---&gt; 25%+4 ---&gt; 12.5%Finally, according to my calculations, using your system, the &quot;50/50&quot; fight above (PEL 15 vs EL 19) would be worth Party Level (6th) x 1200 experience points, 7200 xp total, 450 xp per character.So how'd I do with all that?Wulf</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wulf Ratbane, post: 1174515, member: 94"] I'm gonna have to have you walk me through this one. Let me see if I understand. Two 20th level player characters Four 12th level cohorts 10x 1st level henchmen (I consider this a reasonable party grouping, such as one might find in Piratecat's Story Hour.) By my calculations, as a mixed group of adversaries, they are EL19. (CR total = 98, CR 98 = EL 27, sixteen creatures adjusts to EL19). As a party, using your method, they are (98 levels / 16 characters) = Party Level 6.125. Apply this to Table 2-1 per instructions yields EL 11. Modify that by the number of characters in the party using Table 2-5 yields a PEL of 15. So when this group "fights itself" we have PEL 15 vs. EL 19, which according to Table 2-6 means a 50/50 fight. Did I get that right all the way through? If so, I think my confusion arises because of your terminology. The "Party Encounter Level" does not mean, as it seems to imply, "The EL of this particular party." I note that in your explanation to me above you actually make this same mistake. Rather, PEL means, "The appropriate EL of an encounter designed to be a moderate challenge for this party." PEL does NOT scale up according to the number of creatures in the group, as you misstated above-- that is to say, we should not apply Table 2-3 to this group. You've already taken care of the number of creatures in Table 2-5. So to try to sum up and wrap up (unsuccessfully...) and perhaps hint at an easier walkthrough: The EL of this group is, correctly calculated, at EL19. A "50/50" matchup for this group is EL 19 (as you would expect). The appropriate "moderate encounter" for this group is EL 15. (That could be a single CR12 adversary; or it could be 6-7 CR5 adversaries, or it could be 16-31 CR3 adversaries... etc...) You could simply find the EL of the group and then apply that result against a chart showing the breakdown: Encounter EL - Party EL ---> Victory -12 ---> 99.3% -10 ---> 98.4% -8 ---> 96.8% -6 ---> 93.7% -4 ---> 87.5% -2 ---> 75% +/- 0 ---> 50% (encouter level = party's encounter level) +2 ---> 25% +4 ---> 12.5% Finally, according to my calculations, using your system, the "50/50" fight above (PEL 15 vs EL 19) would be worth Party Level (6th) x 1200 experience points, 7200 xp total, 450 xp per character. So how'd I do with all that? Wulf [/QUOTE]

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