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<blockquote data-quote="Matrix Sorcica" data-source="post: 1185254" data-attributes="member: 3547"><p>Yes I did <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" /> </p><p></p><p>But his lousy scores would put his CR way lower than your estimate anyways. I'm actually quite confused by your appliance (or lack of) of ability scores in CR calculation. See below, please</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So I did. Which would bring the total to CR 4.39. Close to the 4.43 you get. But what about the dobbelgangers +14 to ability scores then?</p><p></p><p>I am under the impression, as I've stated earlier, that ability modifiers that are not part of Size affect CR on a +1/0.1 basis. If not, I'm lost.</p><p></p><p>Obiviously, the Ogre's rotten mental stats are not included in his CR and neither is the Doppelganger's superior stats.</p><p>In answering my questions on the trolls ECL, you implied that the Troll's CR didn't reflect its better than large size ability scores.</p><p></p><p>Now, I don't want to open the can of worms that the discussion of ability scores and CR is, because I agree that a player's high stat rolls shouldn't be included. However, I DO think that any other modifier should be included.</p><p></p><p>If the CR listings in v.4 do not include modiers from stats beyond size, two problems occur IMO:</p><p></p><p>1. Some monsters are underrated, some monsters overrated. The Troll is more dangerous than its listed CR (even enough to change the EL) and the Ogre is not as dangerous as listed (vulnerable to magic due to low wis, for example).</p><p></p><p>2. It is not possible to use the CR listings as ECL. One has to doublecheck to get the correct modifier from stats and size.</p><p></p><p>Comments?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah.. I was mislead by the elf warrior being first lvl.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks for clearing all this up, Krust.</p><p></p><p>One last question: How do you rate SR that increases by lvl a la the Drow. I mean what's the ECL of a drow's SR?</p><p></p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Matrix Sorcica, post: 1185254, member: 3547"] Yes I did :o But his lousy scores would put his CR way lower than your estimate anyways. I'm actually quite confused by your appliance (or lack of) of ability scores in CR calculation. See below, please So I did. Which would bring the total to CR 4.39. Close to the 4.43 you get. But what about the dobbelgangers +14 to ability scores then? I am under the impression, as I've stated earlier, that ability modifiers that are not part of Size affect CR on a +1/0.1 basis. If not, I'm lost. Obiviously, the Ogre's rotten mental stats are not included in his CR and neither is the Doppelganger's superior stats. In answering my questions on the trolls ECL, you implied that the Troll's CR didn't reflect its better than large size ability scores. Now, I don't want to open the can of worms that the discussion of ability scores and CR is, because I agree that a player's high stat rolls shouldn't be included. However, I DO think that any other modifier should be included. If the CR listings in v.4 do not include modiers from stats beyond size, two problems occur IMO: 1. Some monsters are underrated, some monsters overrated. The Troll is more dangerous than its listed CR (even enough to change the EL) and the Ogre is not as dangerous as listed (vulnerable to magic due to low wis, for example). 2. It is not possible to use the CR listings as ECL. One has to doublecheck to get the correct modifier from stats and size. Comments? Ah.. I was mislead by the elf warrior being first lvl. Thanks for clearing all this up, Krust. One last question: How do you rate SR that increases by lvl a la the Drow. I mean what's the ECL of a drow's SR? Thanks. [/QUOTE]
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