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<blockquote data-quote="Matrix Sorcica" data-source="post: 1186946" data-attributes="member: 3547"><p>You illustrate it yourself with your example below:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you rolled six 18's and you wanted to play a doppelganger, you would have far better scores than even the PC that rolled straight 18's. Therefore a doppelganger would always have better stats than a character with the same base stats.</p><p>Shouldn't this be rated? Of course it should be rated if you using the monster as a PC, but what about monster encounter CR? Going by your logic, you could meet a medium size monster with all 18's and CR wouldn't be affected because conceivably a PC could have rolled the same. Do I get it right if I think that you mean that if you use a monster as is, i.e. 10 and 11's, don't adjust for stat modifiers except size etc., and if using a monster with 'rolled' stats, adjust for racial modifiers?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But a race of superbeings with +10 to all stats would be +6 CR even if they don't rolled the same stats. Far superior to core races. But you wouldn't rate this, except if someone wanted to play one of these things?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cheers. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Edit: I think I'm having bigger and bigger problems with the ability scores not being factored in CR as listed.</p><p>Take the succubus. If she had a 10 in charisma her spell like abilities isn't all that frightening. But she has 26 and she becomes extremely dangerous. Shouldn't this be reflected in CR?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Matrix Sorcica, post: 1186946, member: 3547"] You illustrate it yourself with your example below: If you rolled six 18's and you wanted to play a doppelganger, you would have far better scores than even the PC that rolled straight 18's. Therefore a doppelganger would always have better stats than a character with the same base stats. Shouldn't this be rated? Of course it should be rated if you using the monster as a PC, but what about monster encounter CR? Going by your logic, you could meet a medium size monster with all 18's and CR wouldn't be affected because conceivably a PC could have rolled the same. Do I get it right if I think that you mean that if you use a monster as is, i.e. 10 and 11's, don't adjust for stat modifiers except size etc., and if using a monster with 'rolled' stats, adjust for racial modifiers? But a race of superbeings with +10 to all stats would be +6 CR even if they don't rolled the same stats. Far superior to core races. But you wouldn't rate this, except if someone wanted to play one of these things? Cheers. :) Edit: I think I'm having bigger and bigger problems with the ability scores not being factored in CR as listed. Take the succubus. If she had a 10 in charisma her spell like abilities isn't all that frightening. But she has 26 and she becomes extremely dangerous. Shouldn't this be reflected in CR? [/QUOTE]
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