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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kavon" data-source="post: 1188959" data-attributes="member: 9822">Hey U_K <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />About the ability scores thing.. I think (for as far as I understand the situation) that I agree with that the ability scores should be counted (though it's not completely clear to me as to which ability score modifiers we're talking about here). I'll try and see if I understand this.Ok..an average human has 10 or 11 in all stats.an average elf has 10 or 11 in all stats, except Dex and Con (+2/-2, evens out)an average dwarf has the same as with the elf, except for Con and Chaetc..let's say that monster X has, on average, 4 points higher in Str, 2 points less in Dex, 10 points higher in Con, 2 points less in Int, and the same amount of Wis and Cha (+4, -2, +10, -2; +10 total, which tells me there should be a +1 CR here). We're talking about an average sample of the monster, just like the human is an average. Shouldn't these modifiers be counted? Or isn't this what is being talked about? (there is a large chance I've missed on some things, since I don't have the revised edition books..or I'm just being a dumbass)If a player is allowed to play the monster as a character, the modifications to the base (the 10's and 11's) should also modify the player's ability score rolls (or the results of point-buy). I agree that the roll or the point-buy results shouldn't be counted in, but I do think the modifiers should be in there (for either PC or NPC).I have to say that it doesn't really bother me either way, I just thought I'd get this over with, and see if I am really missing something here like I'm suspecting.Hmm... *goes back to doing other stuff..dragon stuff*</blockquote>

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