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<blockquote data-quote="Matrix Sorcica" data-source="post: 1243019" data-attributes="member: 3547">Hi Krust!I have a minor gripe. It should come as no surprise to you that it concerns ECL&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> In your system, a monster's full attack damage potential affects CR. I can live with that, even the problems it causes when the Marilith chooses to use daggers instead of greatswords. But I find it problematic when using that same CR to determine ECL.An example: The minotaur's revised CR is 8.69 before the golden rule. (Old CR 8.89 - 1.2 [old size] + 0.4 [new size] + 0.6 [ability scores]. Add 10 lvls of wealth and you get CR 10.69. Apply the silver rule to this and you get 9.087 = ECL 9.But if this minotaur wants to use a greatsword (large longsword) instead, CR before the golden rule becomes 8.14. Add 9 lvls of wealth and you get CR 9.94. Silver rule makes that CR 8.449 = ECL 8.One level difference.I haven't accounted for the very minor details of the cost of a greataxe vs. a large longsword etc. because the minotaur gets PC equipment anyway, this is more to illustrate a point.Can you see the problem? The minotaur with shield and a better armor class is lvl 8 whereas the minotaur with greataxe and better damage is lvl 9.&nbsp;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Matrix Sorcica, post: 1243019, member: 3547"] Hi Krust! I have a minor gripe. It should come as no surprise to you that it concerns ECL :) In your system, a monster's full attack damage potential affects CR. I can live with that, even the problems it causes when the Marilith chooses to use daggers instead of greatswords. But I find it problematic when using that same CR to determine ECL. An example: The minotaur's revised CR is 8.69 before the golden rule. (Old CR 8.89 - 1.2 [old size] + 0.4 [new size] + 0.6 [ability scores]. Add 10 lvls of wealth and you get CR 10.69. Apply the silver rule to this and you get 9.087 = ECL 9. But if this minotaur wants to use a greatsword (large longsword) instead, CR before the golden rule becomes 8.14. Add 9 lvls of wealth and you get CR 9.94. Silver rule makes that CR 8.449 = ECL 8. One level difference. I haven't accounted for the very minor details of the cost of a greataxe vs. a large longsword etc. because the minotaur gets PC equipment anyway, this is more to illustrate a point. Can you see the problem? The minotaur with shield and a better armor class is lvl 8 whereas the minotaur with greataxe and better damage is lvl 9. :confused: [/QUOTE]

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