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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Matrix Sorcica" data-source="post: 1246867" data-attributes="member: 3547">According to the MM, outsiders do have armor and weapon proficiencies. Even if they don't, it would still be within the silver rule to give a few. The same goes for skills.As for attacks, you're right. I'm still a bit confused by the way full attack is rated one way for monsters and another for PC's. But still, that would still only make a +1ECL adjustment. So one character would be a 20th lvl fighter and the other a 19 HD outsider with twice the feats, almost. I know which one I'd rather be... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Or is it something else elementary I'm just not getting  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />Edit: Just saw Cheiromancer's add on..I very much agree, and have been doing a bit on thinking on the subject myself. I too, have been vary of the dragon HD being 'on the edge'.And I think that Krust is aware that not all feats are equal. Fx he's always saying toughness should grant 6 hp.But isn't this just the way the game is designed - that some feats are weaker than oters? I'm aware that raises some problems when U_K's system is based on 1 feat = 0.2 CR. So what to do? Ignore it or change the feats (as I think UK has done with some)?Don't know about the spellcasting though <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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