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<blockquote data-quote="bykov" data-source="post: 4891864" data-attributes="member: 7636">I tried this. Doesn't account for effective caster level (as paladin and ranger cast at 1/2 HD) and if taken into effect with the sorcerer you still end up with the same inherent difference as my results above with the sorcerer being 50% higher than the wizards and the druid and cleric being more powerful than the wizard.I agree.&nbsp; I was trying to deduce the correlation.&nbsp; Actually the more I thought about it, the difference between Psion &amp; Wizard and that of the Sorcerer appears to be made up by the feats that both the psion and wizard receive.&nbsp; In combat, long term, the sorcerer is more effective than the wizard.Again, I concur.You get no arguement from me as to the benefits of the system, and this is not meant to be derision towards UK, I am merely trying to discover the building blocks.&nbsp; In the end, I believe that the sorcerer's spell levels are more effective than the wizard. I just believe if someone knows the methodology a more accurate comparison can be drawn to equate other classes, such as the psion and the crusader.If spell power or quantity has a correlative effect it would assist in that dicovery as I believe the psions ability to modify powers could play a factor in their respective 'casting' power.However, with the large difference with the spell casting level you are talking about an extra 150 CR per 1000 HD in regards to the casters (if they were all caster levels. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :-P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":-P" />). That would make a big difference.Bykov.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bykov, post: 4891864, member: 7636"] I tried this. Doesn't account for effective caster level (as paladin and ranger cast at 1/2 HD) and if taken into effect with the sorcerer you still end up with the same inherent difference as my results above with the sorcerer being 50% higher than the wizards and the druid and cleric being more powerful than the wizard. I agree. I was trying to deduce the correlation. Actually the more I thought about it, the difference between Psion & Wizard and that of the Sorcerer appears to be made up by the feats that both the psion and wizard receive. In combat, long term, the sorcerer is more effective than the wizard. Again, I concur. You get no arguement from me as to the benefits of the system, and this is not meant to be derision towards UK, I am merely trying to discover the building blocks. In the end, I believe that the sorcerer's spell levels are more effective than the wizard. I just believe if someone knows the methodology a more accurate comparison can be drawn to equate other classes, such as the psion and the crusader. If spell power or quantity has a correlative effect it would assist in that dicovery as I believe the psions ability to modify powers could play a factor in their respective 'casting' power. However, with the large difference with the spell casting level you are talking about an extra 150 CR per 1000 HD in regards to the casters (if they were all caster levels. :-P). That would make a big difference. Bykov. [/QUOTE]

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