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<blockquote data-quote="Squire James" data-source="post: 2541127" data-attributes="member: 548">The LA is so much higher than the CR adjustment because the Vampire has a LOT of abilities the PC's can abuse for their entire adventuring careers, while &quot;monster&quot; Vampires can only abuse them 1-3 times before the PC's finally defeat them.Fast Healing is a common culprit.&nbsp; Monsters with Fast Healing may last a couple more rounds.&nbsp; PC's with Fast Healing can pause for a few minutes after most encounters and meet the next one with full HP.&nbsp; Dominating people and assuming gaseous form at will are pretty powerful too.&nbsp; A smart vampire will rarely have an actual need to fight... let the beefiest enemy with a poor Will save do the messy stuff!PC's can bypass many of a vampire's limitations with a small amount of cleverness.&nbsp; A Bag of Holding for the coffin makes them much more mobile (they can even sleep inside the coffin in the bag if they want, since air isn't a problem).In short, playing a vampire as a thug does not make full use of the +8 LA.&nbsp; A vampire rogue with a dominated fire giant is much closer to what you ought to be looking at here!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Squire James, post: 2541127, member: 548"] The LA is so much higher than the CR adjustment because the Vampire has a LOT of abilities the PC's can abuse for their entire adventuring careers, while "monster" Vampires can only abuse them 1-3 times before the PC's finally defeat them. Fast Healing is a common culprit. Monsters with Fast Healing may last a couple more rounds. PC's with Fast Healing can pause for a few minutes after most encounters and meet the next one with full HP. Dominating people and assuming gaseous form at will are pretty powerful too. A smart vampire will rarely have an actual need to fight... let the beefiest enemy with a poor Will save do the messy stuff! PC's can bypass many of a vampire's limitations with a small amount of cleverness. A Bag of Holding for the coffin makes them much more mobile (they can even sleep inside the coffin in the bag if they want, since air isn't a problem). In short, playing a vampire as a thug does not make full use of the +8 LA. A vampire rogue with a dominated fire giant is much closer to what you ought to be looking at here! [/QUOTE]

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