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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pauljathome" data-source="post: 5539275" data-attributes="member: 21807">Somebody brought a Vampire character to yesterdays LFR game, and man is it awful in that context.I'm not at all talking about the mechanics. I'm talking about the flavour.First, we had the massive problem of "And why are we adventuring with a vampire and not just killing it on sight?" Its LFR so we just muttered and ignored the problem but it was definitely there.But the main problem is that the character didn't feel like any vampire out of any fiction that I've ever read (note, I have NOT seen nor read the Eclipse books). Some of the issues are arguably build issues. But only really a little.The character was a 5th level character.  He was supposed to be centuries old. But had, of course, absolutely nothing in game terms to show that. No knowledge of history (admittedly this is a  class skill but that barely helps. If the player had cared to waste the points they could have made the character barely competent at history. Way worse than the Eladrin mage in the party, of course, but at least vaguely competent.The character had no ability to smell blood (this actually came up on screen). No supernatural senses except for dark vision.Strength was his dump stat so we have a physically weak vampire.He has some thematic powers but he desperately needs far more flavourful powers. And unfortunately in D&D where just about EVERYBODY can do weird stuff like push and pull characters around thematic powers like Dark Beckoning become far less interestingThe only thing that made him at all seem like a Vampire was the fact that everybody hated him on sight <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />.I think that making the Vampire a class was a significant mistake. Heck, I'm not at all sure that making it a PC at all was a good decision. You just cannot create a balanced low level vampire that is going to remotely seem like a vampire.</blockquote>

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