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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5539977" data-attributes="member: 59057">This has nothing to do with the vampire class at all. This is a genral design flaw of the skill proficiency system.Classes should give bonuses to certain skills just like Races do. Skill training should only give another +2 bonus. Classes should increase their main skills with some little bonuses per tier.So you should get +2 from race, maximum +5 from atttribute and at least +3 for being a class skill. and another +2 from skill training and maybe another +2 from skill focus. You should get only a small number of skill trainings at level 1 and bonus feats to get skill training/fokus at some numbered levels (maybe X3, X6 and X9)+2 bonus to class skills at level 11 and 21.This way you would allow anyone who is from the right class to have its +5 bonus without effort. And other classes can only get to +7 maximum (eladrin education to arcana and shade stealth training as the only exceptions coming to my mind)the +2 bonus per tier makes sure classes with perfect stats for the skill are not surpassing your classes bonuses.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 5539977, member: 59057"] This has nothing to do with the vampire class at all. This is a genral design flaw of the skill proficiency system. Classes should give bonuses to certain skills just like Races do. Skill training should only give another +2 bonus. Classes should increase their main skills with some little bonuses per tier. So you should get +2 from race, maximum +5 from atttribute and at least +3 for being a class skill. and another +2 from skill training and maybe another +2 from skill focus. You should get only a small number of skill trainings at level 1 and bonus feats to get skill training/fokus at some numbered levels (maybe X3, X6 and X9) +2 bonus to class skills at level 11 and 21. This way you would allow anyone who is from the right class to have its +5 bonus without effort. And other classes can only get to +7 maximum (eladrin education to arcana and shade stealth training as the only exceptions coming to my mind) the +2 bonus per tier makes sure classes with perfect stats for the skill are not surpassing your classes bonuses. [/QUOTE]

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