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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Klaus" data-source="post: 5540009" data-attributes="member: 607">If you think training Perception and History is "gimping" the character, the class is not at fault.And you seem to be forgetting the Level 4 utility that lets a vampire make Strength, Athletics and Endurance checks with a +5 bonus (+10 if you spend a healing surge). That means your wimpy vampire can batter down a door as if he were a fighter with Strength 20 (or a Strength 30 giant if he spends a surge).You also must remember that a Wisdom 20 cleric trained in Perception isn't a regular Joe. That's a divinely-powered character whose senses expand into the Astral Sea. The Intelligence 20 wizard is a genius with perfect recall that has pored over books for most of his life. You can match either simply by being who you are. It's like Dracula matching wits with Van Helsing, or Angel discussing magic with Giles or Willow.</blockquote>