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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5555435" data-attributes="member: 78116">Mithreinmaethor, I've already been playing the vampire to test various things and seen it in play now. I wonder what tier you've seen these at? Because by paragon tier a 2 surge vampire isn't getting very far. Even in my own games, without durable vampires haven't done very well whatsoever at heroic tier - in fact a good deal of them haven't got through the one shot adventures we run without durable (bad luck and 2 surges makes me sad <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />). In my own games, I tend to use a good deal of skill challenges and traps to mix up encounters, neither of which provide vampires with options for getting back surges. So durable was pretty much a must have feat otherwise they really struggled very hard.Personally though with durable as a safety net, I've yet to see a vampire have the same &quot;Oops, I had a bad day and it is time for a new character&quot;. So I have no problem giving vampires in my games durable for free as a houserule and calling it a day. 4 surges is still pretty sucky, but because of their mechanics for getting back surges it works out very well. Also it means by paragon they actually have surges to spare for throwing onto their powers for extra damage. Given how incredibly poor the vampires damage compares to other strikers by paragon, this is a much needed boost to their ability to function as a striker.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5555435, member: 78116"] Mithreinmaethor, I've already been playing the vampire to test various things and seen it in play now. I wonder what tier you've seen these at? Because by paragon tier a 2 surge vampire isn't getting very far. Even in my own games, without durable vampires haven't done very well whatsoever at heroic tier - in fact a good deal of them haven't got through the one shot adventures we run without durable (bad luck and 2 surges makes me sad :(). In my own games, I tend to use a good deal of skill challenges and traps to mix up encounters, neither of which provide vampires with options for getting back surges. So durable was pretty much a must have feat otherwise they really struggled very hard. Personally though with durable as a safety net, I've yet to see a vampire have the same "Oops, I had a bad day and it is time for a new character". So I have no problem giving vampires in my games durable for free as a houserule and calling it a day. 4 surges is still pretty sucky, but because of their mechanics for getting back surges it works out very well. Also it means by paragon they actually have surges to spare for throwing onto their powers for extra damage. Given how incredibly poor the vampires damage compares to other strikers by paragon, this is a much needed boost to their ability to function as a striker. [/QUOTE]

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