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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3985040" data-attributes="member: 9789">Actually, a good point about vampire LA is that it's really hard to quantify:&nbsp; I think the designers really just picked something that &quot;felt&quot; right.&nbsp; Technically, I would say that vampires have much higher than a +8 LA, but their weaknesses knock it back down.&nbsp; I'm sure I've done this before (and on these boards, no less), but I think I'd break it down something like this:- blood drain:&nbsp; +.5- children of the night, spider climb: +.5- dominate:&nbsp; +1.5- create spawn:&nbsp; +2- energy drain:&nbsp; +1- alertnate form, gaseous form: +.5- DR:&nbsp; +1- fast healing, including the fact it can't die from HP loss:&nbsp; +2- resistances, turn resistance:&nbsp; +1- stat boost +1- skill boosts, 4 feats:&nbsp; +1- garlic, mirror, and holy symbol aversion; running water limitation; can't enter unless invited limitation, vulnerability to running water, vulnerability to stake while helpless:&nbsp; -1- sunlight vulnerability:&nbsp; -3Some of those are basically &quot;rounded,&quot; but I think that's relatively fair.I agree with Drowbane, though:&nbsp; the permanant and wide-ranging nature of the create spawn ability - not to mention the &quot;pyramid scheme&quot; that it can create - make it an incredibly powerful tool in the hands of a PC.&nbsp; Only the vulnerability to sunlight keeps it from being game-breaking with vampire PCs; without that, you've really got a potential for abuse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3985040, member: 9789"] Actually, a good point about vampire LA is that it's really hard to quantify: I think the designers really just picked something that "felt" right. Technically, I would say that vampires have much higher than a +8 LA, but their weaknesses knock it back down. I'm sure I've done this before (and on these boards, no less), but I think I'd break it down something like this: - blood drain: +.5 - children of the night, spider climb: +.5 - dominate: +1.5 - create spawn: +2 - energy drain: +1 - alertnate form, gaseous form: +.5 - DR: +1 - fast healing, including the fact it can't die from HP loss: +2 - resistances, turn resistance: +1 - stat boost +1 - skill boosts, 4 feats: +1 - garlic, mirror, and holy symbol aversion; running water limitation; can't enter unless invited limitation, vulnerability to running water, vulnerability to stake while helpless: -1 - sunlight vulnerability: -3 Some of those are basically "rounded," but I think that's relatively fair. I agree with Drowbane, though: the permanant and wide-ranging nature of the create spawn ability - not to mention the "pyramid scheme" that it can create - make it an incredibly powerful tool in the hands of a PC. Only the vulnerability to sunlight keeps it from being game-breaking with vampire PCs; without that, you've really got a potential for abuse. [/QUOTE]

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