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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 2341172" data-attributes="member: 23619">Is this character actually a Vampire or maybe a Vampyre or even a Dhampir (Half Vampire)? The last two have Con scores, so what you said about blood makes sense for them. However, Vampires don't have Con to lose. In Ravenloft they gain a negative level for each day they go without 4 Con points worth of blood and when reduced to 1 level, they go insane and after anything with blood. Not necessarily. The DM could be using Con only as a measure of how long the vampire can go without before turning crazy and killing things. Ghosts don't drain the blood of the living. Vampires do. Also, go over the Paladin description. There's something in that code of conduct about punishing those that harm or threaten innocents. Now monsters and killers may not be innocent souls, but they would be innocent of deserving to have their blood sucked out. Animals and people too for that matter. And the part about associates reads that the paladin will not continue to associate with someone that offends their moral code. And it seems like this vampire, LN or not, is offensive to your character, or at least should be. So, if the pally's friends want the vamp over the pally, then have the pally go on "vacation" and start a new character while the vamp is with the group. And if the pally's friends have already stated they'll go after the pally if he does anything to the vamp, they're not really the kind of friends the pally would want to be around. As a DM, I'd strip a paladin's powers for running around with a vampire, unless the PCs were doing their best to get that character back among the living. Draining blood is torture, regardless of the reasons behind it, and torture is an evil act. Hence why there are NO good vampires. And the idea of getting a bunch of mules or horses to drain is torturing not just one but several creatures and if the paladin goes along with that, he should soon be pondering the benefits of being a Fighter. Look at the TV series Angel. It tried to present him as a Hero because he helped people. But when it came down to it, he was still a killer that drank the blood of others. He did good out of a sense of guilt, a desire for redemption or to stop others that were more evil than him, not any real sense of altruism. In one of the last episodes, he murdered a character that was essentially a paladin just so he could maintain an "image" of being a genuine bad-guy, even signed a contract refusing redemption or a soul or whatever forEVER. Vampires can be presented as romantic, exotic, troubled, misunderstood, whatever. But when it comes down to it, by their very nature, they are Evil whether their alignment says so or not. Its what you do that shows whether you are evil, not your mindset or how you think or believe. Evil people rarely ever think they are evil. This vampire may think he's being LN, but the first time he takes blood from some person or animal, he's just committed an evil act by intentionally inflicting harm on someone else. And if the paladin condones that, then he has just sinned by allowing something evil to occur when it could have been prevented.Vampires are evil. They have to drain the life from others just to continue to exist. As soon as that paladin (or anyone else for that matter) meets that vampire, they know that others have come to harm otherwise the vampire wouldn't be standing there. And good people do kill other people because they think others are evil without knowing. It has happened throughout history and to this day is happening. Liches can be Good because they don't have to hurt the living to continue to exist, same with ghosts. Vampires do, daily. So, you can kill vampires just for being vampires and be Good. They are monsters. The MM doesn't just say they are Chaotic Evil, but that they are ALWAYS Chaotic Evil. It was written that way for a reason.</blockquote>

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