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<blockquote data-quote="Calico_Jack73" data-source="post: 1674447" data-attributes="member: 14403">Actually I think they are more or less the same in complexity (d20 &amp; GURPS).&nbsp; Both have a simple mechanic for task/combat resolution and go on to add complexity after that.&nbsp; I just always felt the complexity was an option with GURPS but in d20 you more or less HAD to add the extras.&nbsp; Try keeping players when you tell them that you aren't going to use Feats in your game.Maybe you weren't running it correctly.&nbsp; Here is a situation... Character 1 shoots Character 2 with a .357 Magnum which has a damage rating of 5.&nbsp; Let's say that Character 2 gets moderately lucky with his to hit roll and gets 3 successes.&nbsp; Two of those add to the damage rating for a total damage rating of 7.&nbsp; That is lethal damage... a mortal can't even attempt to soak it.&nbsp; If of those 7 dice 4 turn into actual damage you are looking at someone who is very severely hurt... they are at the Wounded level and are -2 at all further tasks.&nbsp; That was only the first shot... a second shot that does even 3 points of damage will kill character 1.&nbsp; The main thing is that it doesn't matter how much experience Character 2 had... he can still die from the same amount of damage.Also remember healing times take FOREVER in the Storyteller system.&nbsp; I had a Mage character who was taken down to Mauled with lethal damage.&nbsp; It took half a year of in game time for him to heal back completely.If you are going to correctly &quot;port&quot; it over you need a system for all three forms of damage... bashing, lethal, and aggravated.&nbsp; Bashing could be Vitality points that come back within a short amount of time.&nbsp; Lethal could be Con damage that CAN be healed magically within a short amount of time and Aggravated would only be able to be healed with time or Vulgar magic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Calico_Jack73, post: 1674447, member: 14403"] Actually I think they are more or less the same in complexity (d20 & GURPS). Both have a simple mechanic for task/combat resolution and go on to add complexity after that. I just always felt the complexity was an option with GURPS but in d20 you more or less HAD to add the extras. Try keeping players when you tell them that you aren't going to use Feats in your game. Maybe you weren't running it correctly. Here is a situation... Character 1 shoots Character 2 with a .357 Magnum which has a damage rating of 5. Let's say that Character 2 gets moderately lucky with his to hit roll and gets 3 successes. Two of those add to the damage rating for a total damage rating of 7. That is lethal damage... a mortal can't even attempt to soak it. If of those 7 dice 4 turn into actual damage you are looking at someone who is very severely hurt... they are at the Wounded level and are -2 at all further tasks. That was only the first shot... a second shot that does even 3 points of damage will kill character 1. The main thing is that it doesn't matter how much experience Character 2 had... he can still die from the same amount of damage. Also remember healing times take FOREVER in the Storyteller system. I had a Mage character who was taken down to Mauled with lethal damage. It took half a year of in game time for him to heal back completely. If you are going to correctly "port" it over you need a system for all three forms of damage... bashing, lethal, and aggravated. Bashing could be Vitality points that come back within a short amount of time. Lethal could be Con damage that CAN be healed magically within a short amount of time and Aggravated would only be able to be healed with time or Vulgar magic. [/QUOTE]

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