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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shalimar" data-source="post: 577375" data-attributes="member: 9600">The quickstart rules are not compatible with the regular rules.  For example they present discipline schemes which offer a choice of: the three basic disciplines, 1 basic and one advanced discipline, and 2 basic disciplines and some extra attribute points.The disciplines system as presented in the full rules has al the disciplines from the quickstart guide, as well as a few others but they are the domain of the clans that Ashrem has disallowed.  The disciplines are on a 1-5 rating system with each rating adding an ability.  Also the attributes are not on the same system as the quickstart suggests.  each attribute is on a 1-5 rating as well(actually everything but bloodpool, will power, and humanity are on a 5 dot scale).   There are three catagories, Physical, Social, and Mental.  Each attribute starts with a single dot in it.   You get 7 dots to divide up in your primary category, 5 in your secondary, and 3 in your weakest.  There are 3 attributes in each category.Physical: Strength, Dexterity, StaminaSocial: Charisma, Manipulation, AppearanceMental: Perception, Intelligence, witsThe largest difference between the quickstart is that there are no apptitudes or advantages as listed in it, the clan weaknesses still apply.</blockquote>