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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 598227" data-attributes="member: 1194"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Are we all using the same rules?In my book, it costs 1 freebie point for Willpower, 2 for a Virtue (like Courage). (I can't find errata about this online, or on White Wolf's site)Virtues also max out at 5.Willpower maxes out at 10.Without high Willpower, Thaumaturgy is a eunuched Discipline.uh-oh. this kinda concerns me. I didn't expect to have any rules conflicts... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> [edit] I found on the WW Forums a discussion that mwntioned a confusion over Willpower ebing 1 or 2 points.The members responded that it was 2 points in 2nd edition, in Revised (and on), it is 1 point. Revised came out in 1998. [/edit]As I understand, most ST's don't like Tremere having the unbondable merit for exactly the reason you mentioned.I didn't take the merit for dodging the clan weakness, I took it for dodging the problem with Thaumaturgy Discipline (2 of their main powers, at level 2 and 4 both cause them to ridiculously become blood-bonded if they use the power.) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> I have no problem with being blood-bound to the Tremere elders just like every other initiate, does that sound OK then, Ash?Shalimar (and Ash, i guess)- where is the 14 freebie points change taken from?All books I've read mention 15.and I was thinking the same thing about us not being able to Sire anyone, since our characters are so new, but Ash mentioned that we could, and also NY is not a Tradition-bound city yet. There are so few vampires for the population, that the limitations on Sireing might be very different than in an older, more intractable, overpopulated city.</blockquote>

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