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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Catulle" data-source="post: 745119" data-attributes="member: 9942">I only just spotted this... and I must categorically state that, of the many things I am, hairy and overweight aren't even close to being on the list. But it was 'that' kind of party. Alas.It's worth my time, I think, to make some general comments about Presence, just for bearing in mind as part of the cut and thrust of roleplaying conversation and reactions, again, from the V:tM book:"Quite aside from the deliberate effects, Presence conveys upon the vampire an indescribable mystique. She stands out in any crowd, drawing the interest (and often desire) of those around her even when she's merely standing still. The higher the vampire's Presence, the greater this allure and the more powerful its impact on others"I'd add the house rule that this 'passive' effect can be dampened for a scene with the expenditure of a willpower point, if that's cool by everybody.In practice, we see that of our PCs, Max has 2, Sabrina 1, and Vychtorya 3 dots of Presence. Interestingly, of the group assembled together at the moment in Elysium, Carrick and Nathaniel both have equal to or more then all three. Perhaps why Sabrina felt 'cut out' of the conversation? Even the very basic applications of the presence discipline are more potent than this passive effect, after all.To contrast, the Kindred with the most Presence in the room are Valentine and Qadir - but both manifest in different ways, according to their demeanours (Valentine radiates good cheer and 'pleasant' emotions; Qadir gives people the strong sense that he's weighing them up...). Note, however, that this effect is in addition to normal social attributes - think of it as 'weight of demeanour' and I don't think you're far off the mark.Ash - Gabriel will be aware of pretty much the information on the .pdf about Wainwright. He may suspect (but not know) that the dwarf regent knows a lot more about him...Kit - It's  not a matter of 'stronger reaction, IMO. One of the beauties of Presence that it is just as effective against a Methuselah as it is against a mortal. The advantage of being a vampire in this case is in having the savvy to realise that you're being affected and take steps to resist.Regards,Barry</blockquote>

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