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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shalimar" data-source="post: 872733" data-attributes="member: 9600">Well, to the Sabbat, its obviously not, or they wouldn't do it.  We ARE playing a sabbat game, so things are done the Sabbat way.  If you want another camarilla game, I'm sure you could start one, but the Sabbat are a very war minded group.  The mass embrace is for a reason, the weak wont survive to make it out of the grave, they'll be torn apart by the strong.  It ensures that only the strong will make it out, a good thing for the weak to die quickly like that, otherwise the rest of their unlives would be a never ending hell of torment, the weak are marginalized and beaten up constantly in the quest for dominance in the pack.   The Sabbat are most definitely not as discriminating in who they choose, but even then, they can still influence who makes it out.  Give the one you want to survive more blood then the others give to theirs.  Also lower gen vamps are a lot more likely to survive, they can heal faster, they can get strong quicker, and more importantly they are probably the recepients of the extra blood from their sires.  That said, as far as I know there a lot of randomness as to who gets picked.  The Tzimise have their revenant families that they embrace from, but they wouldn't be very interested in weak offspring either so mass embrace there too.  Its possible to get done one on one, but not in this game obviously since Tokiwong said we have been mass embraced.  Since that is what was said, I'd just as well have no one be given special treatment, as we all know what we are signing up for. Opinion noted, but hey, thats what the Sabbat is like, the weak don't survive, the strong dominate.  It doesn't have the social rules of the Camarilla to keep the week protected.  The Sabbat for the whole period of its existance has been at war against the Camarilla, Mass embraces are standard tactics to create shock troops to assault Camarilla cities.  Embrace a hundred people maybe 50 survive, send them all in to assault the Cammies and there is no net loss when they all die, and when they kill maybe 3 or 5 Camarilla higher ups its a big gain, the mass embracees are replaced easily, the experienced elders they kill are not.</blockquote>

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