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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Funksaw" data-source="post: 1660450" data-attributes="member: 20181">In fact, they fixed that problem a different way as far back as Vampire 3rd edition in 1997, where botches only occured if you had at least one "1' but no other successes.  So, 10, 1, 1, 1, is a normal failure in that system.In Storyteller(WoD2) you ignore ones completely unless your clan has a weakness regarding it, you just count 8, 9, and reroll 10s.  You don't even subtract ones from your successes.  The only time "ones" come up is when you're trying to use a skill that you have zero dice in - then you roll a single "chance die."  2 through 9 are failures on the chance die, 10 is a success, and 1 is a botch.</blockquote>