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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dagredhel" data-source="post: 814515" data-attributes="member: 3421">What I was thinking was that the vampire's abilities could be spread over a goodly number of levels, more than a few, to replace the template entirely.  A newly 'spawned' vampire would trade-in previous class levels for vampire monster levels on a one-for-one basis.  Once the basic vampiric abilities were 'bought' in this fashion, the character would have the option to retain remaining class levels or swap them for advanced vampire monster class (prestige class?) levels.  A creature without levels to swap-out for vampire levels could still get the basic vampiric abilities/monstrous class levels, but then be stuck with an experience point deficit reflecting the sudden bump in ECL.I haven't worked out the details.  I'm just playing with the notion at this point, wondering if it would be feasible.And as far as it goes, I think its safe to say that the idea of a vampire becoming more potent with the passage of time, of older vampires being more powerful, is pretty prevalent.  If we take it for granted, then the question would be benchmarking the lower threshold of power for newly created undead fresh from the grave.</blockquote>