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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8567414" data-attributes="member: 6701124">The Deodand and Pelgrane are two of the iconic monsters in Jack Vance's Dying Earth books.&nbsp;&nbsp; But the dying earth cast of characters (at least in the first three books) don't reach the level of prowess of the 5e characters.&nbsp; So, do these humanoids need to be toughened up some to give the same feeling in a 5e world?<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Deodands: Deodands are humanoids which look like handsome, muscular human men, but with &quot;dead black lusterless skin and long slit eyes.&quot; They are strong, murderous, and carnivorous creatures, but can be killed with offensive spells, which they fear. In Cugel's Saga, the wizard Follinense believes they are a mixture of basilisk, wolverine, and man. Deodands are notably eloquent.</li>
</ul>One 5e write-up I've seen is at <a href="https://boxfullofboxes.blogspot.com/2019/10/dying-earth-monsters-part-ii-deodand.html" target="_blank">Dying Earth Monsters Part II - Deodand</a>Does that feel too weak to be the threat they're played out to be in Vance's books?&nbsp; Or is it just that they're normally terrorizing commoners?<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Pelgranes: Pelgranes are humanoids with beaked heads and wings, who harass, kill and eat travelers. They are known, unlike the eloquent Deodands they are often contrasted with, for being gullible, brash, and unintelligent.</li>
</ul>A 5e write up is at <a href="https://boxfullofboxes.blogspot.com/2020/02/dying-earth-monsters-part-iii-pelgrane.html" target="_blank">Dying Earth Monsters Part III - Pelgrane</a>Some of the stories in Vance and in the tribute anthology make me think the Pelgrane should be stronger and harder to hurt.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8567414, member: 6701124"] The Deodand and Pelgrane are two of the iconic monsters in Jack Vance's Dying Earth books. But the dying earth cast of characters (at least in the first three books) don't reach the level of prowess of the 5e characters. So, do these humanoids need to be toughened up some to give the same feeling in a 5e world? [LIST] [*][B]Deodands[/B]: Deodands are humanoids which look like handsome, muscular human men, but with "dead black lusterless skin and long slit eyes." They are strong, murderous, and carnivorous creatures, but can be killed with offensive spells, which they fear. In [I]Cugel's Saga[/I], the wizard Follinense believes they are a mixture of basilisk, wolverine, and man. Deodands are notably eloquent. [/LIST] One 5e write-up I've seen is at [URL="https://boxfullofboxes.blogspot.com/2019/10/dying-earth-monsters-part-ii-deodand.html"]Dying Earth Monsters Part II - Deodand[/URL] Does that feel too weak to be the threat they're played out to be in Vance's books? Or is it just that they're normally terrorizing commoners? [LIST] [*][B]Pelgranes[/B]: Pelgranes are humanoids with beaked heads and wings, who harass, kill and eat travelers. They are known, unlike the eloquent Deodands they are often contrasted with, for being gullible, brash, and unintelligent. [/LIST] A 5e write up is at [URL="https://boxfullofboxes.blogspot.com/2020/02/dying-earth-monsters-part-iii-pelgrane.html"]Dying Earth Monsters Part III - Pelgrane[/URL] Some of the stories in Vance and in the tribute anthology make me think the Pelgrane should be stronger and harder to hurt. [/QUOTE]

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