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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frostmarrow" data-source="post: 5857538" data-attributes="member: 1122">In 4E they tried to position the cleric as leader. I'm not sure it stuck. What if cleric is the information gatherer instead? Clerics have access to an organization and a selection of augery spells. A druid is pretty much the same as a cleric in this respect with the difference druids have no reliable organization but instead have access to wilderness lore.From a role-playing perspective I see the following schticks, in and out of combat:Fighter: Melee combat and AthleticsWizard: Artillery and RitualsRogue: Ranged combat and Burglary/Tool useCleric: Healing and InformationRanger: Ranged combat and AthleticsPaladin: Melee combat and InformationBard: Melee combat and RitualsI don't see a niche for a face person. In an RPG everybody must feel they are welcome to speak. Also, there is no need for a leader, especially if leading means healing. It's dishonest. (I hate when people try to change the facts by changing the meaning of words).When you encounter a problem the fighter can climb over it, the rogue can swing past it with a grappling iron, the wizard can transform it, and the cleric can decipher the secret password.Athletics: Skills that require no gear. "Hey, look at me!"Rituals: Skills that require time and exotic ingredients. "I wonder what happens if I mix this."Burglary: Skills that require special equipment. "I'm so leet."Information: Skills that require languages and books. "I want to map god's creation."Information in the game comes from several sources. Talking to NPCs shouldn't be monopolized by any one class. We also have:TrackingBooksMemorySpells (speak with dead, legend lore)Dreams and visionsAs you can see most of these are suitable to the cleric concept.</blockquote>

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